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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
So I think that current small(maybe it will turn out to be pretty big) fight with Admiral that Law just started in last chapter will help us to see how Luffy(who I think is bit stronger than Law) would fair in fight with Admiral.
Maybe we will also get to see some exchange between Doflamingo and Law so it will be fuel for further discussion when it comes to how Luffy compares to Doflamingo.
If Law can stand his ground to Admiral and be able to escape him then in my opinion would make Zoro be capable of doing as good as Law in same situation.
For opponents to be effected by Haoushoku Haki, there has to be a certain gap between the one who uses it and the opponents.
Let´s just say Luffy has a strength of 100 (completely random number, does not really have a meaning) and there has to be at least a difference of 50 for opponents to faint, meaning that the 50000 fishmen who fainted were as strong as 50 at best. This also entails that Luffy´s capacity was not 50.000 in general, it just means that the other 50.000 were stronger than 50 and thus not effected by CoC.
Here comes the most important factor. Since we don´t actually know how strong the other 50.000 fishmen were, we can not draw a conclusion at all from the fact that Shanks could make all 100.000 faint. As far as we know, the rest of the fishmen could have a strength of 51-60, so Shanks could also have only a strength of 110, meaning Shanks could easily be massively stronger than Luffy but also only by a small margin.
The actual number of people fainting is secondary which was basically my point.
Another line is not exploited :
Imagine Luffy would have been ultra pissed off (Hodi killing the King or something like that), would he have knocked-down all the 100 000 fighters?
O: It's these three. Their specialty haki color is in the parentheses.
Luffy (Haoshoku Haki), Conqueror's Haki
Zoro (Busoshoku Haki), Color of Arms Haki
Sanji (Kenbunshoku Haki) Color of Observation Haki
I would love to see some pwnage haki skills from sanji and zoro
Hmm, so Robin doesn't know how to use one but she knows about their existences, I'm quite disappointed. It's understandable that Sanji is good at COO, well at least he has to run far far away from those freaking beautiful ladies for sure. Zoro needs COA to fight against logica users and other great swordsmen who know how to use COA.
Gah I would love to see Luffy and Zoro battle it out, rly hard to say who would win honestly, though we haven't seen much from either, but still a hell of a lot more from Luffy than Zoro, I WANNA SEE ZORO FCK SOME SHIT UP SOON ODA!
As for Zoro being just as strong as Luffy, I'm sorry to say that I don't believe in it, nor have I any reason to do so. Although Luffy defeated Lucci with the determination he gained from his friends, he was still fighting with him on almost equal grounds, even though -- as I myself conceded -- Lucci probably had a slight advantage. Even though Zoro was not so damaged in his fight with Kaku as Luffy was while fighting Lucci, it was still a struggle for him to win, in a way more similar to Sanji's own battle against Jabura than to Luffy's combat against Lucci. The difference between Lucci and Kaku/Jabura is not so small as you seem to believe, and, although saying he had almost half of Luffy's strength may have been an exaggeration on my part, he is in no way in the same level as the captain, been much closer to Sanji. Perhaps he has something close to 60% or 70% of Luffy's overall capacity, perhaps even 80% -- who knows? What is certain, however, is that he is not as strong as his captain.
The evidence I presented is one of the few quantifiable criteria of comparison exhibited in the manga about how Luffy, Zoro and Sanji stand in relation to each other when it comes to physical strength -- i.e., the doriki of enemies who fought with them almost on the same level. If you find that ungraspable, I would like to know which kind of evidence you would have to consistently stand against my view. The chapter you posted was a mostly comical quarrel with few, if any serious implications, which, to make things even worse, does not even have a satisfactory conclusion. Since they didn't even had any serious intent for victory in that fight, I don't see how it would be even close to a consistent source of comparison.
Last edited by Der Namenlose; September 02, 2013 at 05:12 PM.
What evidence do we have to say they are equal? We know that their levels are not far away, but to say he is on Luffy's level is a very long stretch. As far as we know, Zoro should be, at the end of the manga, something close to Luffy's Rayleigh. It's a great feat, but no one in the manga has ever said that Rayleigh was just as great as Roger himself.
Last edited by Der Namenlose; September 02, 2013 at 05:06 PM.
Yet you wrote Luffy is logically always stronger than his crew mates because of his captain status. When you mentioned Mihawk and Silvers to be of nearly equal strength, it would imply that both can teach similarly good too, one in swordfighting, the other in haki. Had Luffy used a sword, he could have gotten some of that training too, gaining a bit of an advantage probably. Knowing that can use CoA the differences will be decreased even more.
But remember Zorro's last real 1vs1 fight. It was Ryuma, after he took down Brook. Since then Luffy had the Kuja, Impel Down and Marine Ford arc to shine and grow. Zoro on the other hand, casually split ships apart because he climbed on the wrong one, took Hyouzou apart like he was nothing, slashed Monet into nightmares and is still complaining about his swords itching for a fight to this very moment.
We will first have to see him fight against an equally strong opponent to make a fair comparison, don't you agree?
Why would you make him to be a copy of the past generation, make them shine for what they are. Roger too used swords, so really weird. Is Mihawk the Rayleigh of Shanks generation in your eyes?
Last edited by Schabrak; September 02, 2013 at 05:22 PM.
zoro is stronger than luffy in my opinion just compare hody jones fight lol anyways I dont think we will see block D it would be pointless since cavendish is obviously the strongest. I think chaos will just spin out of control next chapter since the arena is destroyed and I think all the people will see the factory.
Last edited by Der Namenlose; September 02, 2013 at 06:56 PM.
seriously, how can some of you guys compare Zoro with luffy, and even say Zoro is stronger than luffy. true, zoro hurt judy jones and luffy had a hard time with him. but, Luffy is a devil fruit eater and was fighting the guy on water, and on top of that, Hody Jones took like a 1000 drug pill and he was fighting in the Ocean .
Zoro might, might, MIGHT have the same endurance, but Luffy got more WILL and Power. and luffy can grow on strength during a fight. Why you think luffy gets to fight the Bosses and Captains of a crew?
stop the comparison