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    Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    When Sasuke was fighting with A, Karin said she had never seen a Chakra like that of A except with Bijuus.

    But when Madara was revived by Kabuto and arrived in the battlefield, the Chakra sensors in the HQ were all like "OMG what's this Chakra?" and nobody reacted like that with A or his father. I know Madara had Hashirama's cells, but until that point it looked Madara's Chakra would be normal for his past self.

    So what do you think?
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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Sounds like Kishimoto was just overhyping A for no reason Karin just decided to use a specific example she was familiar with.
    And Karin was no where near the battlefield when Madara first arrived.
    Maybe they were too focused on his chakra to spend time using colorful comparisons?

    I think Karin probably would've said some crazy stuff about Madara if she were there when he first appeared.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Kisame got the same treatment as the Raikage with the Bijuu comparison, so I'm assuming Kishimoto wanted to drive home the fact that their power is the real deal and what better way to do it than by having sensors confirm it with that type of comparison.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    If anyone did chemistry, they must have heard of the term concentration (or potency).

    So far, Kishi had laid out the distinction between an individual who just has a Large amount/volume of chakra and someone who has low reserves but highly potent in it's appeal.

    As an example I'd like you to look at a juxtaposition;

    Person A has a teaspoon of salt in 200ml bottle filled with distilled water VS Person B who has 10 tablespoon of salt in 100ml bottle filled with distilled water.

    Obviously the individual with the teaspoon of salt has greater volume of water (2x more), but the person with 10 tablespoon has much greater concentration of salt in his 100ml bottle that his water is even saturated with that salt.

    The Uchiha are known to have POWERFUL chakra, the Senju are known to have Large QUANTITY of chakra. But potency makes it so that you can perform even the most difficult, chakra consuming Justus with considerably less effort.

    Let's assume you'd require a certain concentration of salt from your bottle in some food you are cooking.

    Person A might have do exhausted all his volume just to satisfy your need, and even at the end, the concentration might not be enough and may ruin the food.

    However Person B is able to satisfy your need, and even have remainders for another round if you fancy more.

    This talk is also reminding me of Ebisu lesson to young Naruto about chakra control (which is also important in obtaining optimum efficiency)

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-90-page-4.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-90-page-5.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-90-page-6.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-90-page-7.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-90-page-8.html


    Of course a ninja can have both powerful and large amount of chakra. I think Madara is a cut above the Uchiha prior to his cell stealing exploits, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has chakra amount/volume/quantity that can compete against even 1/10 of the inhuman Bijju rivalling creatures like Hashirama or the Raikages. It just means his chakra is POWERFUL/POTENT/HIGH CONCENTRATED.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Perfect Susanoo > Biju

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchy View Post
    Perfect Susanoo > Biju
    It's comparable to the bujji, not superior.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    It's comparable to the bujji, not superior.
    Madara has already said that the Biju are a joke compared to his perfect Susanoo, so unless you can reference a page that says otherwise...

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    A duo from Akatsuki can defeat a Bijuu, so it's reasonable that Madara's ultimate technique is superior.
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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchy View Post
    Madara has already said that the Biju are a joke compared to his perfect Susanoo, so unless you can reference a page that says otherwise...
    No he didn't say that, and the first step to realising so is to research what some other translations states.

    Notice that some translation actually states "comparable to" not superior to. http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/5 or http://sa.ae/2069e2f/ even other translations in different languages (like French) states "comparable to"

    This alone should at least conflict the notion that Madara states PS is outright superior to the Bijuu

    Secondly, you look at the feats it performed and compare it to the Bijuu. It's is a massive mountain sized titan capable of destroying mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...89-page-8.html

    Every individual Bijuu can do that. Kurama and Gyuki have shown feats that thwart that of PS's in destructive force.

    A simply Bijuudama from any Bijuu that is about the size of their mouth wide open has powers capable of vaporising the entirety of a mountain. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-4.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-3.html

    A bijju lay waste to a forest simply by spinning around. He lay waste to about a mountain range landscape, so Bijuudama isn't their only means of causing mass destruction.
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-566.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-3.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-6.html

    Kurama pushed all 2-6 Bijjuus quite a distance simply by roaring

    A Bijuudama about the size of PS would obliterate the entirety of an island filled with mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-13.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...72-page-1.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...72-page-3.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-16.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-17.html

    The destruction incarnate, PS can only be comparable in fact, but what makes it particularly strong is it's defence, in offense, the bujji are still the greater force (unless the user of PS has Kuguya's or her children's true gifts and become a literal transcendent being)

    And Finally the 10 tailed Bijuu is also part of this family of Bijuus. It has powers enough to destroy the world http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...4-page-11.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    A duo from Akatsuki can defeat a Bijuu, so it's reasonable that Madara's ultimate technique is superior.
    And a Perfect Susanoo without a master can wander around like an aimless idiot.
    Last edited by Kay3795; July 14, 2014 at 08:16 PM.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    If Karin had sensed Madara's base non-shikai reiatsu, her own reiatsu would've been crushed under the pressure and she would've started hyperventilating.

    ---------- Post added at 01:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:33 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795
    Secondly, you look at the feats it performed and compare it to the Bijuu. It's is a massive mountain sized titan capable of destroying mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...89-page-8.html

    Every individual Bijuu can do that.
    No no no no no no no. NO.

    Every Bijuu can destroy a mountain with THEIR MOST POWERFUL JUTSU. The Bijuudama. Madara can destroy SEVERAL mountains with a simply wave of his Susanoo's hand. Without even actually TOUCHING the mountain. The WIND from his sword... does MORE damage... than a Bijuu's MOST POWERFUL TECHNIQUE.

    Hell, his swords from his non-final form Susanoo can block Bijudama fired by Kurama himself. And this was back when Kurama was his HUGE form, far, far, FAR more powerful than the one Naruto or Minato have.

    Madara may have said his Susanoo's power is "That of a Bijuu", but that was at the very least fucking full-power Kurama. Tailed beasts are bush league when it comes to Madara even without Hashirama's DNA. He'd completely shit on any one of them, at any time.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Sasuke used his Perfect Susano'o to fight Rikudo Madara and Kaguya, which speaks for itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    And a Perfect Susanoo without a master can wander around like an aimless idiot.
    However the Bijuu have a mind of their own, or in most cases a Jinchuriki.
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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    No he didn't say that, and the first step to realising so is to research what some other translations states.

    Notice that some translation actually states "comparable to" not superior to. http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/5 or http://sa.ae/2069e2f/ even other translations in different languages (like French) states "comparable to"

    This alone should at least conflict the notion that Madara states PS is outright superior to the Bijuu

    Secondly, you look at the feats it performed and compare it to the Bijuu. It's is a massive mountain sized titan capable of destroying mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...89-page-8.html

    Every individual Bijuu can do that. Kurama and Gyuki have shown feats that thwart that of PS's in destructive force.

    A simply Bijuudama from any Bijuu that is about the size of their mouth wide open has powers capable of vaporising the entirety of a mountain. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-4.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-3.html

    A bijju lay waste to a forest simply by spinning around. He lay waste to about a mountain range landscape, so Bijuudama isn't their only means of causing mass destruction.
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-566.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-3.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-6.html

    Kurama pushed all 2-6 Bijjuus quite a distance simply by roaring

    A Bijuudama about the size of PS would obliterate the entirety of an island filled with mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-13.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...72-page-1.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...72-page-3.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-16.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-17.html

    The destruction incarnate, PS can only be comparable in fact, but what makes it particularly strong is it's defence, in offense, the bujji are still the greater force (unless the user of PS has Kuguya's or her children's true gifts and become a literal transcendent being)

    And Finally the 10 tailed Bijuu is also part of this family of Bijuus. It has powers enough to destroy the world http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...4-page-11.html

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    And a Perfect Susanoo without a master can wander around like an aimless idiot.
    If you think about it...if every Uchiha developed their own Susano'o then they could overtake any of the Bijuus...since 1 Susano'o is Comparable to One Jinchuuriki.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    No he didn't say that, and the first step to realising so is to research what some other translations states.

    Notice that some translation actually states "comparable to" not superior to. http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/5 or http://sa.ae/2069e2f/ even other translations in different languages (like French) states "comparable to"

    This alone should at least conflict the notion that Madara states PS is outright superior to the Bijuu

    Secondly, you look at the feats it performed and compare it to the Bijuu. It's is a massive mountain sized titan capable of destroying mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...89-page-8.html

    Every individual Bijuu can do that. Kurama and Gyuki have shown feats that thwart that of PS's in destructive force.

    A simply Bijuudama from any Bijuu that is about the size of their mouth wide open has powers capable of vaporising the entirety of a mountain. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-4.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-3.html

    A bijju lay waste to a forest simply by spinning around. He lay waste to about a mountain range landscape, so Bijuudama isn't their only means of causing mass destruction.
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-566.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-3.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-6.html

    Kurama pushed all 2-6 Bijjuus quite a distance simply by roaring

    A Bijuudama about the size of PS would obliterate the entirety of an island filled with mountains. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-13.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...72-page-1.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...72-page-3.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-16.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-17.html

    The destruction incarnate, PS can only be comparable in fact, but what makes it particularly strong is it's defence, in offense, the bujji are still the greater force (unless the user of PS has Kuguya's or her children's true gifts and become a literal transcendent being)

    And Finally the 10 tailed Bijuu is also part of this family of Bijuus. It has powers enough to destroy the world http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...4-page-11.html
    ^ That alone should atleast conflict the notion that Madara doesn't have chakra amount/volume/quantity that can compete against even 1/10 of the inhuman Bijju rivaling creatures like Hashirama or the Raikages. You've completely ignored the amount of time and effort it takes for the Biju to perform those feats, not to mention the fact that Susanoo nonchalantly swung one of four swords and managed comparable damage. Furthermore, Madara's original PS was on the same scale as Kurama Prime, who is a tier above the other Biju even at 50%, so... PS > Biju

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Although the Perfect Susano'o that Kurama was "wearing" was destroyed by Hashirama's attack, while Kurama was unfazed.
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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    If Karin had sensed Madara's base non-shikai reiatsu, her own reiatsu would've been crushed under the pressure and she would've started hyperventilating.

    ---------- Post added at 01:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:33 AM ----------



    No no no no no no no. NO.

    Every Bijuu can destroy a mountain with THEIR MOST POWERFUL JUTSU. The Bijuudama. Madara can destroy SEVERAL mountains with a simply wave of his Susanoo's hand. Without even actually TOUCHING the mountain. The WIND from his sword... does MORE damage... than a Bijuu's MOST POWERFUL TECHNIQUE.

    Hell, his swords from his non-final form Susanoo can block Bijudama fired by Kurama himself. And this was back when Kurama was his HUGE form, far, far, FAR more powerful than the one Naruto or Minato have.
    Gyuki was simply spinning and this happened http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...66-page-3.html

    This is the destruction it caused as a result http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...71-page-4.html
    (It's right there, the effects of the whirlwind at the middle, comparable to a mountain range).

    Perfect Susanoo actually didn't obliterate mountains, it cuts them in half. The energy required to obliterate a mountain till nothing is left is higher than the one required to cut one.

    And if it's charge time you're concerned about, 2-7 tails already changed a multi-mountain obliterating attack and ready to lunch. Naruto changed his in a spilt sec to counter. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-13.html

    Maybe anime gives the impression that it takes time but anime is second to manga http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...02-page-7.html

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Madara may have said his Susanoo's power is "That of a Bijuu", but that was at the very least fucking full-power Kurama. Tailed beasts are bush league when it comes to Madara even without Hashirama's DNA. He'd completely shit on any one of them, at any time.
    Hell the freakin no, a thousand times no http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-13.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-16.html

    The mountain sized mountain slicing sumarai in amour and sword simply doesn't have the feats to match the destructive ability of Half-powered Kurama's mult-mountain - island obliterating feats, let alone the actual 100% yin/yang Kurama.

    (also Size of Bijuuball = power of bijuuball, so you didn't need to say "And this was back when Kurama was his HUGE form, far, far, FAR more powerful than the one Naruto or Minato have" just to exaggerate to the highest degree)

    I think you forget why Madara required Kurama in the first place to fight Hashirama. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...27-page-6.html
    Kurama was primarily the offense needed to fight Hashirama, and Susanoo was the defense (I said it in my previous post)
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