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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
So you were expecting Hinata to say "Naruto-kun's hand is so big it gets my juices flowing?" C'mon this Hinata we're talking about, not Ino. Their situation is dictating their words and thoughts for each other. Hinata just saw her cousin killed right in front of her and she's at ground-zero with bodies all around her. Safety and security are in short supply and Naruto's presence makes her feel safe. This really isn't that bad. Sure, Kishi could have used adjectives like "warm, peaceful, or happy but that's not what Hinata needs right now. Their actions here are to support one another, not make passionate declarations of love for each other. It's not the time or place for that even if people have been waiting 10 years for something to develop. Even Kishi isn't that stupid.
Last edited by Brill; January 02, 2013 at 10:38 AM.
is what she actually said (or what her thought bubble said anyway), I know because I read it several times because I couldn't believe my eyes. I didn't make that garbage up I took it verbatim from mangastream version of the chapter.
I'm sorry but that was absolutely awful. The last line I remember seeing dialogue that bad was in the Bruce Willis movie "Last Man Standing" the exchange of dialogue went....
Last edited by Jammin; January 02, 2013 at 11:00 AM.
I've read 2 versions of the translation and they both said that same thing, so I doubt it's a translator botch job. It could be that the true poetry of that line doesn't translate...but I highly doubt it. I've heard line about big hands might not translate fully. It might not have the pervy nuance outside in japanese.
Last edited by Jammin; January 02, 2013 at 05:56 PM.
I still think it was handled horribly. I'm not against any "shipping", I just think that Naruto and Sakura would've made more sense. I mean the love story here is that Naruto friendzoned Hinata for their entire lives, even AFTER she threw her life away for his sake. It took the death of an aquaintance (not even a friend) to make him hold her hand. People will say things like "less is more" and "a subtle touch is far more romantic". But the problem with subtlety is that when you're too subtle it's hard to draw in those that weren't interested in the first place.
Unless the act is particularly terrible.
And yet, that is exactly how 25% of all love songs and romantic movies proceed. People are friendzoned then someone finally realizes their "friend" means more to them than that. So if it's good enough for real life why can't it happen in manga? Naruto is no Casanova and he's just as clueless in romance as he is at everything else. He's not going to find the answer himself, he will need some assistance and Hinata gave it to him. He realized that Hinata was feeling depressed after he saved her from the zetsu so he consoled her. He realized that once again Hinata put her life and the line so he would be spared from harm, and he realized the support and encouragement she provides him when he has a crisis in faith, again. This isn't out of the blue, it's been steadily progressing ovet ther last 50 chapters.Originally Posted by ninjabot
You're absolutely right. Hinata and Naruto's relationship has always been subtle and nuanced. It's not explosive like Naruto and Sakura, but it is the one presently that is going someplace. Whether it leads to love, who knows.
So bad even Juubi's sighing on that page
No seriously, Hinata is predetermined to friendzone forever (Sasuke is Naruto's true love), so the scene isn't significant.
What I find funny about NaruHina is that its fans use to be happy if Hinata was in the same chapter as Naruto. Now after 615, they demand Naruto and Hinata to be married by the end of the manga.
While NaruSaku fans, who use to be so convinced of their pairing, are now just begging for Naruto to even talk to his teammate Sakura again.
615 changed everything. But we still have a way to go,.
And I have this weird feeling that death might by Kishi's way of actually bringing two people together. Neji's death brought Naruto and Hinata together. Ino and Shika might find love through their fathers' deaths. Not necessarily with each other. And maybe Lee(if Gai goes). Lee x TenTen is sort of the ship in the Rock Lee anime.
Hinata has shown that she can be cool at times and if she could actually be the person we saw during the Pain fight then it might be a little more easy for me and others to jump onboard. But 615's dialogue seemed designed to create the opposite effect while being as corney as possible.
She basically threw out the equivalent of "believe in yourself because me and lots of other people believe in you" and really failed to capture much emotion from her toward Neji; who got killed by wooden spears that would have hit her NOT Naruto. *gah* Just talking about how she was characterized in that chapter is mildly sickening to me. I've never been her biggest fan be....she deserved better than that, IMAO.
Last edited by Jammin; January 06, 2013 at 12:08 PM.
And if you believe that everyone will be RTed by Obito like some on these forums do then you can kill Hinata, Sakura, Temari, and TenTen. Then Shikamaru can hook up with Shiho and Karin can revive the Uzumaki clan. If Kishi decides to go that route then ther is no plot armor. Personally, I don't think he will, but that doesn't mean it's zero, highly unlikely, but not zeroQuote:
You seem to have this "ideal kunoichi" in mind that's meant for Naruto. You wanted Sakura to fit this role, but Kishi isn't going that way, so now you're trying to turn Hinata into this ideal girl. Quite simply, it doesn't work that way. Sakura is Sakura, and Hinata is Hinata. You got to deal with the cards your dealt, not trying to convert something into something they aren't. I have no problems with the dialgoue that Hinata said in 615. It's refelcts the core of her character. It was selfless, resolved, unwavering, and looknig forward. That's the person Hinata aspires to be and she demonstrated that during this chapter.Originally Posted by Jammin
Sasuke reaction after reading chapter 615 :
so that it's not forgotten.