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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
At least with Sakura you can sell her focus on Sasuke as apart of her rampant self esteem issues and with Karin we got an actual source for her false hero image of Sasuke combined with her latent masocisim. Both were not very believable as long term motivations but they were something.
In the case of Ino, as far as I'm aware she literally has no reason other than how pretty and talented he is. Sasuke has always been a jerk to her and he ran off to aid the organization her teacher and mentor died fighting. She's never had the underlying sense of inadequacy that Sakura has either. She should hate Sasuke by now.
To be honest, I'm not to thrilled with any of the personal relationships in Naruto right now which is why I'm putting forth at least some effort into keeping my comments to a minimum. I'm trying to abide by my grandma advice when she used to tell me "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."
I can't name a single personal relationship in the series I think is going particularly well. Hinata and Naruto were looking good right until the dialogue in 615 made her seem more like a subservient worshiper instead of a potential partner. And the rest seems to me like a bee's nest of emotionally flat overwritten....garbage(sorry grandma)
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but it's the truth.
Last edited by Jammin; January 20, 2013 at 02:19 PM.
We have hardly been told she threatened to kill over him.Quote:
And I don't think this means she is still interested or likes him. Her first thought when it came to the meaning of bush clover is a "positive love", her only major love at any point was Sasuke, hence the ironic reply. Even if she still loves him, we haven't seen any real suggestion she's stillmstupid enough to act on those feelings about like Karin, Sakura and Naruto. She's wisely stayed away.
But yeah, it does kill hopes for InoCho or InoShika for me.
But I think the reason it's getting shoehorned in there is because Kishimoto needs Sasuke to be important to other people, even if it makes no sense for that to be the case. Otherwise Naruto being hell bent on saving Sasuke becomes a personal/selfish thing. Kishimoto needs Sasuke to be important to people in order for Naruto not to look bad.
Sasuke's character never built up the relationships that would give him that kind of believable support amoung his peers. So Kishimoto is forced to manufacture it in order to allow the plot go the way he wants. That's why Ino is acting in a way that doesn't make a lot of make sense.
Last edited by Jammin; January 22, 2013 at 01:41 PM.
The thing is, Ino is not Hinata (content to never say a word to her crush for ages at a time). She had six years in the same class with Sasuke to spend time with him. I mean, Kishi could've actually done some Academy flashbacks to give some credence to Ino and Sakura's love the way the anime fillers go out of their way for Hinata but still.
On a happier note, it has been shown that the number of female characters in Naruto who love nice guys really upsets the 'All Girls Want Bad Boys' apple cart. It seems to be the one kindness Kishimoto has shown to his girls and the fans who want to root for them.
Perhaps this list of "Naruto Ladies who Love the Nice Guys" will provide a modicum of comfort for my fellow fans who despair for the love lives of the cast and the implications of romantic incompetence on the part of the ladies of the ninjaverse:
Kushina: Minato must be the nicest guy in the world, after Hiruzen Sarutobi
Hinata: Naruto is...not the sharpest crayon in the box but he's very caring
Biwako: Hiruzen was arguably too soft-hearted (you know what I'm talking about)
Kurenai: even in his rebel stage, Asuma was a jovial and big-hearted guy (takes after his old man, evidently)
Tsunade: Dan was very sweet and gentle
Matsuri and Sari: yeah, Gaara used to be terrifying, but he's sure been adorable for a while now, and he didn't get his fangirls until he changed
Mito: Hashirama got a stellar girl, and his perfect-hero-ness is of vast annoyance to Bad Boy Madara (pffft)
Konan: Yahiko was outgoing and idealistic
Temari: heavily implied to have Takahashi-couple-potential with Shikamaru, who, while not particularly sentimental, is definitely not mean
Yuugao: Hayate's girl (whatever happened to her, anyway??)
Mei: despite her flirtiness, she's shown to be more than ready to settle down with a steady
Rin: Kakashi was reserved and loth to make connections at first, but he was certainly not cruel (and of course...he does read steamy romance novels openly. tee hee)
Yoshino: tsunderes love those smarty Nara men, don't they?
TenTen: subtly hinted to have a fondness for Lee, yet another candidate for nicest guy in the universe
Mrs. Akimichi: Choza is very much a kind-hearted family man
In the "Wanting Bad Boys" debit column we have the following, three of whom had it bad for the same person:
Sakura: She's obviously not happy about it; I think she wants to get over her feelings but a broken heart can take a long time to heal. She's been thoroughly disillusioned.
Anko: She got over it, big time.
Ino: Seriously WTF is up with that. I thought she'd moved on but...??
Karin: an interesting case; apart from his prettiness, she appeared to really dig what she could feel about Sasuke's inner personality, which was implied to be essentially good underneath the brokenness. Later she changed her mind when things got seriously ugly, and good for her.
In conclusion, a few Kishimoto women show poor choices on the love front (and they certainly suffer the consequences), but the vast majority of them exhibit good sense in their romantic lives. This gives me a little boost of hope for the futures of those who haven't sorted out their feelings yet.
Plus, Naruto did say he was doing it for Sasuke's sake as well.
What is this "happiness" you speak of?
Seriously, I'm glad you can find a bright side. People like you and Nindo are rays of sunshine. Though I may not be able to find much to feel good about with Naruto I'm truly glad that people like you still can. It brightens the forum and offsets my curmudgeon-ness.
As stupid as it is for Ino's character it's the only way to imply such a connection without having it come out patently absurd. Imagine trying to do the same thing with any other of the rookies. Chouji? Shikamaru? Kiba? The results would have been straight up laughable.
"Does it work" is another question entirely. I think it does but how well depends a lot on the reader. If someone doesn't care about Ino much it probably would work quite well. Not everyone notices uncharacteristic behavior so such a thing can go unnoticed and serve it's purpose perfectly. For those that do notice it damages Ino's character but still connects her to Sasuke to some small degree; in which case it also serves it's purpose at a cost. This being said, regardless of circumstance, it's bad writing. In good writing characters and plot should smoothly interweave and that is obviously not happening here. When one is forced to go along with the other it's symptom of much deeper problems.
Last edited by Jammin; February 07, 2013 at 02:41 PM.
You say Lee was being unprofessional but would you have expected Ino and Shikamaru to casually shrug off the death of Choji like Tenten has?
Or Shino and Hinata to shrug off Kiba's death?
I don't think you would really expect that.
Considering we've already had people crying in this war. That death was a bit of a dog's death imo. Got shrugged off pretty casually.
Granted it is law not to waste time crying though I do understand that.
Outside of Team 10 Ino IS a Sasuke fangirl. Ino's character outside of Team 10 is nothing more than a friend and rival to Sakura's persona. You don't have chapters where she's wishing she was free as a cloud or wanting to be a fashion tycoon. She has almost no depth outside ot her team. Most don't. Kiba, Shino, Neji, TenTen, Chouji have no depth outside of their team function. To say Ino's character was destroyed by the farewell speech was about 10 yeats too late to the party. After the chuunin exam Ino was nothing. So when you try to sum up nothing, you're left with nothing. You can't get blood from a stone and that's what Ino's character has been regardless of the recent favorable airtime.
But to say Neji has no depth outside of his team is just incorrect since you can't ignore his massive backstory with the Main clan and branch clan stuff.
@Bloomerwedgies how come Anko was in your list? She had a love interest in the series?
He also showed his work with Karin. For some reason, she seemed to actually love him. A love that even went beyond his appearence. Ino's crush is no more than the one Tenten had on Sasuke a million years ago.
Ino had NOTHING with Sasuke. The Sakura and Ino rivalry has long been over. Sasuke never once paid any attention to Ino. Ino has no significance in his world. If Ino was in front of Sasuke today, he would address her as the girl on Shikamaru's team. She is nothing to Sasuke. And there is no ending for Ino with Sasuke.
With all the other crushes you cite, there was some interaction. Lee does mean something to Sakura. Obito meant something to Rin. Naruto means a lot to Sakura. Naruto liked Hinata, but not in the way she wanted till now.
Ino should have gotten over Sasuke years ago. But once again, Kishi is clueless with girls. Let's even say Ino is shallow. There are guys just as hot running around Konoha. Neji(well maybe not now), Kiba, Shikamaru, ect. To have her still hung up on Sasuke is laughable. BTW, chasing Sasuke nearly got Shika and Choji killed. The two guys Kishi wants us to believe Ino cares about above all. And if she foolishly went off to avenge Sasuke if Kumo killed him as was stated, she would put Shika and Choji's lives at risk avenging her. Just awful writing.
Last edited by Jessie; January 21, 2013 at 04:45 PM.