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    Re: Romance (and society) in Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin View Post
    I've never thought Sakura was very attractive, at least by manga standards. It was said, in one of the interviews, that Kishimoto went out of his way to try and make Sakura "not cute" and i think he pretty much succeeded. She's not ugly but she has a cuteness factor of 0%. In my opinion Hinata is better looking and that Ino is WAY better looking(by a lot).

    But that's always endeared the Naruto character to me somewhat. Sakura isn't the coolest or most beautiful. Yet throughout the whole series she's only girl i can recall him having the hots for. That makes him seem less shallow than a character that just goes for the prettiest face.

    That does raise a question though...why does Naruto like her so much?

    As much as i loath the overuse of flashbacks, i'd really like one to explain that. What exactly did she do that originally caught his attention? Seems like he has been carrying a torch for her since the second chapter of the series and we still don't really know why.
    I've had this question too.

    I'm thinking that he may have fallen for her back in the day when she was the odd woman out because of her forehead....You know, back before Ino taught her to be confident in herself and she got teased all the time. Being excluded would make her like Naruto, and he's got a thing for people who were cast aside like he was...... That's all I can come up with.

    From that flashback it also looked like all the boys in Konoha just assumed that all the girls would just be chasing after Sasuke. So they just gave up on chasing anybody. Lee and Naruto, I think, are the only exceptions. But why Lee also picked Sakura with the likes of Ino traipsing around, I don't get that at all. LOL....maybe it's like he sees her as the weakest antelope in the herd, beauty wise, and she's the only one he feels he stands a chance with.

    I don't think Kishi is gonna explain any of it though.
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    Re: Romance (and society) in Naruto

    Maybe, no joke here, that Naruto is the mum-type person.

    It sounds weird but many men end up with girls resembling their mothers in some way. Even though Naruto didnt know his mum then, it might happen somewhere in the brain.

    The other ideas a great as well.

    I wouldnt mind Ino and Naruto , even though there is no idication to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sho87 View Post
    Meh, I don't see how Sakura would possibly be a good match for Naruto. She's bland, deceitful, weak willed and always confrontational at the wrong times. She's everything that I would never fall in love in a women if I were Naruto and there are better girls out there than her, preferably Hinata.

    But she is the main love interest, so I can't argue that. Kishi surely knows that just because she's the main heroine she doesn't have to end up with the main character due to status quo cliches, not only that they are the two most poorly developed dynamics with little emotional investment compared to the Naruto/Sasuke bond the overall plot and story.

    NaruSaku just seems like the easy way out, like how all shounen romances are even though the story emphasizes on the other major parts and themes like fights and nakama more than love(love is a strong and powerful emotional and theme), Kishimoto wouldn't write the couple believable enough for me to be convinced that their so called relationship has a equal intensity as Naruto/Sasuke or the Will of Fire/Chain of Fire plot. It'll just be so shallow and insignificant.

    That is why I hope no pairings happen but if one should happen it be with the Hyuuga girl and the main character. It doesn't effect the plot, but it doesn't have any setbacks or flaws to it to ruin or narrate how akward and confusing it is. It's pure if not deep based on how the two share a same ethical perspective on hardwork and never giving up. And Naruto never ignores her or bashes her skull in for being shy, he just is clueless and naive and wants her to be with him as friend. Love should be a happy emotion in shounen, not a dark and flawed one. It could be like the Ippo x kumi relationship from Hajime no Ippo.

    Naruto and Sakura to me are just friendly best buddies with a mutal respect in each other, but they have little common ground in both integerity and inner strength which Naruto hates in people.
    Regardless if Kishi drew Sakura to be "non-cute" the problem is that very few care for her personality. People like tsunderes even with a little bit of emo, but not emos who are wannabe tsunderes-and that is what Sakura is. If Sakura were tsundere this wouldn't be a contest-hell, even I would cheer her on. However, people would rather cheer for the bashful Hinata over the emo Sakura, and it seems the main reason people are still with Sakura is that she is still apparently Naruto's only love interest. As Jammin said we have no idea why Naruto likes Sakura, he juist does, but nothing has developed to make it endearing-and there are enough people dissatisfied with HInata that they will pull candidates out of left field like Karin to envision a relationship that could possibly develop since there is so much baggage with Sakura.

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    Hey, I support Naruto x Karin because of their personalities. Karin is feisty like Naruto, she'd be a humorous pair with him. Other than the calm, collected thing most of the time in the heat, she's a lot like Kushina.

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    If you think about it, that could also be proof that she's an Uzumaki.

    My thoughts on the possible ChouIno pairing: I kinda hope Ino will say something like, "your "big" side is definitely something I don't like very much, but the cool, confident side of you.... is something I like" It makes sense with Asuma talking about Chouji's confidence in this chapter.
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    I wonder if Karin is still in Konoha? I don't think she is an Uzumaki. But she is like Kushina both in personality and looks. And Naruto did find his mom to be a babe.

    Did anyone think the Sakura confession was handled better in the anime? I had a different feeling about it watching the anime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Newkerzy View Post
    If you think about it, that could also be proof that she's an Uzumaki.

    My thoughts on the possible ChouIno pairing: I kinda hope Ino will say something like, "your "big" side is definitely something I don't like very much, but the cool, confident side of you.... is something I like" It makes sense with Asuma talking about Chouji's confidence in this chapter.
    Based on this chapter I don't think Kishi is going to do any InoCho. It looks like he will keep Team 10 as friends/sibling-like which to me is the correct decision. Ino didn't really react to Choji and spent most of her time with Shikamaru. Romance between the three would ruin what they have. Kishi can do Shikamaru x Temari because it doesn't interfere with any team dynamic.

    Choji will get married, but it can be to anyone. Maybe even a new character. Or perhaps even Shiho if Shikamaru lets her down gently.

    I do have total confidence that we will see Kishi showing Ino-Shika-Chou working on a 17th generation given how important he showed their clan bonds.
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    Idk why but i remember a post I made a while ago back and i was always curious what people think and if this will ever be brought up again or remain a mistery.

    So one thing that has kind of interested me from the beginning is the scene were Naruto transforms into Sasuke:

    http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-3-page-16.html

    Sakura doesn't know that its Naruto and not Sasuke who compliments here and talks about her forehead. I always wondered if it was possible that in some way this action influenced how she felt about Sasuke. It is obvious that she liked Sasuke before this point but I just always wondered if it made her think Sasuke was interested in her. I mean its pretty apparent she would still have liked him regardless of if this happened but I always wonder if this would ever come up again in her relation to her possible feelings for naruto.

    I dont think it will cause Kishi has probably forgot about this but I always wondered what would happen if she found out it was naruto who said that to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimp naruto kun View Post
    Idk why but i remember a post I made a while ago back and i was always curious what people think and if this will ever be brought up again or remain a mistery.

    So one thing that has kind of interested me from the beginning is the scene were Naruto transforms into Sasuke:

    http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-3-page-16.html

    Sakura doesn't know that its Naruto and not Sasuke who compliments here and talks about her forehead. I always wondered if it was possible that in some way this action influenced how she felt about Sasuke. It is obvious that she liked Sasuke before this point but I just always wondered if it made her think Sasuke was interested in her. I mean its pretty apparent she would still have liked him regardless of if this happened but I always wonder if this would ever come up again in her relation to her possible feelings for naruto.
    I believe Sakura later figured out that was Naruto. She is a smart girl and even said at the time that Sasuke was not acting like himself. She probably put two and two together given Sasuke's later stoic behavior and Naruto's fondness for tricking people. Of course we don't know that. I am only assuming that she figured this out in-universe.

    I don't think that scene had any influence on the relationships since it was intended as comedy.

    Quote Originally Posted by pimp naruto kun View Post
    I dont think it will cause Kishi has probably forgot about this but I always wondered what would happen if she found out it was naruto who said that to her.
    Nothing. She already knows Naruto loves her. So it wouldn't change a thing.

    To me, the most damning thing about Naruto x Sakura is that Sakura knows how Naruto feels about her, but doesn't want to change their relationship.

    It's the same situation with Naruto and Hinata, The most damning thing about about Naruto x Hinata is that Naruto knows how Hinata feels about him, but hasn't done anything about it. We might give Naruto a pass here since he had bigger things on his mind since the Pain fight.

    But still, one sided relationships don't a have a good track record in this manga.

    Sakura loves Sasuke. Sasuke never returns her affections.
    Ino liked Sasuke. Sasuke barely knew she existed.
    Karin loved Sasuke. Sasuke tried to kill her.
    Rock Lee loves Sakura. Sakura does not love Rock Lee.
    Shiho likes Shikamaru. He is not interested in her.
    Jiraiya loved Tsunade. Tsunade loved Dan and never could admit loving Jiraiya until it was too late.

    Romance in Naruto, like everywhere else, needs the two parties to be mutually interested. You are better off with two people who sort of like each other and just need a push than with a one-sided love. Think Minato x Kushina or Asuma x Kurenai. Shikamaru x Temari is like this if Kishi ever bothers to move on it.

    I guess a Naruto x Hinata fan could argue that once Naruto is finished with saving the world, he'll tell us his feelings about what Hinata said. Then it could happen. But until someone makes a move, everything will continue to be in limbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sho87 View Post
    weak willed
    I really don't agree with that. She's not. Sakura is really strong willed and stubborn, just like Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by huynhlan View Post
    If in the end naruto really does end up with sakura, than I for one will feel really bad for him, because sakura doesn't love him the most she love sasuke more, and even after that faked confession naruto still can't get over sakura then too bad, he reach a new level of stupidness in my book, and please don't any one argue that sakura confession was real, kishi himself said it was fake, but anyway seeing ino and chouji in the recent chapter make me think they might end up together, but then again, if they did, then the ino-chou-ka combo will be gone, I don't want that to happen at all.
    Who knows ?
    At 13 you're don't really sure about who you love, and about what love is.
    She thought Sasuke was the one, but maybe she was wrong.
    Very soon in the manga, she does blush for Naruto.
    And Naruto happened to be exactly what she wanted many times.
    I don't get it : where do you saw Kishi told it was fake ? On the contrary, i saw an interview were he told she was honest and determined.
    Naruto still entertain a bond for Sasuke too, and he's gone pretty far.
    Sakura haven't done nothing wrong consciously to Naruto, and i think she already bash herself very much for all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I believe Sakura later figured out that was Naruto. She is a smart girl and even said at the time that Sasuke was not acting like himself. She probably put two and two together given Sasuke's later stoic behavior and Naruto's fondness for tricking people. Of course we don't know that. I am only assuming that she figured this out in-universe.

    I don't think that scene had any influence on the relationships since it was intended as comedy.
    I would not be so sure about that.
    When Sai told her that Naruto loves her sincerely, she was shocked.
    She has never realised how much Naruto loved her.
    I think she never realised that was Naruto back then, on the bench.
    And I think if she knew it, that could change some things.
    She's clever, but when it comes to feelings, she's dense. Just like Naruto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I believe Sakura later figured out that was Naruto. She is a smart girl and even said at the time that Sasuke was not acting like himself. She probably put two and two together given Sasuke's later stoic behavior and Naruto's fondness for tricking people. Of course we don't know that. I am only assuming that she figured this out in-universe.

    I don't think that scene had any influence on the relationships since it was intended as comedy.


    Nothing. She already knows Naruto loves her. So it wouldn't change a thing.

    To me, the most damning thing about Naruto x Sakura is that Sakura knows how Naruto feels about her, but doesn't want to change their relationship.

    It's the same situation with Naruto and Hinata, The most damning thing about about Naruto x Hinata is that Naruto knows how Hinata feels about him, but hasn't done anything about it. We might give Naruto a pass here since he had bigger things on his mind since the Pain fight.

    But still, one sided relationships don't a have a good track record in this manga.

    Sakura loves Sasuke. Sasuke never returns her affections.
    Ino liked Sasuke. Sasuke barely knew she existed.
    Karin loved Sasuke. Sasuke tried to kill her.
    Rock Lee loves Sakura. Sakura does not love Rock Lee.
    Shiho likes Shikamaru. He is not interested in her.
    Jiraiya loved Tsunade. Tsunade loved Dan and never could admit loving Jiraiya until it was too late.

    Romance in Naruto, like everywhere else, needs the two parties to be mutually interested. You are better off with two people who sort of like each other and just need a push than with a one-sided love. Think Minato x Kushina or Asuma x Kurenai. Shikamaru x Temari is like this if Kishi ever bothers to move on it.

    I guess a Naruto x Hinata fan could argue that once Naruto is finished with saving the world, he'll tell us his feelings about what Hinata said. Then it could happen. But until someone makes a move, everything will continue to be in limbo.
    About the bench scene, judging by the whole "Red Thread of Fate" chapter, I think Kishi will go back on it. Perhaps saying the exact same thing as that day before Naruto goes on to the final battle.

    About your frustrations on NxS, are you sure you didn't mean Naruto? it was Naruto who pretty much wants to keep the status quo between them. But after the Team 7 reunion, it seems to me that he may be a bit more active in pursuing Sakura as we can see by Kakashi saying how it seems a lot of burden has been lifted off of him. If anything, his active pursuing might be slightly subtle but it's still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newkerzy View Post
    About your frustrations on NxS, are you sure you didn't mean Naruto? it was Naruto who pretty much wants to keep the status quo between them. But after the Team 7 reunion, it seems to me that he may be a bit more active in pursuing Sakura as we can see by Kakashi saying how it seems a lot of burden has been lifted off of him. If anything, his active pursuing might be slightly subtle but it's still there.
    Naruto has asked Sakura on a date many times. So he clearly wants a different relationship. Admittedly, he does it humorously to take the sting out of the rejection, but he does want Sakura to accept and be his girlfriend. Even if he doesn't really know what that entails.

    It's Sakura and her feelings for Sasuke that is preventing any potential relationship with Naruto. And Naruto has accepted this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muka View Post
    I would not be so sure about that.
    When Sai told her that Naruto loves her sincerely, she was shocked.
    She has never realised how much Naruto loved her.
    I think she never realised that was Naruto back then, on the bench.
    And I think if she knew it, that could change some things.
    She's clever, but when it comes to feelings, she's dense. Just like Naruto.
    You're probably right. It's hard to imagine that Sakura didn't know about Naruto's feelings. It was more likely she only knew Naruto had a crush on her. But she didn't know how much he really loved her.
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    I think she never took his feelings for her seriously.
    That's why.
    Naruto was playing the fool, he never talked to her seriously about it.
    When Sasuke himself told her seriously that Naruto risked his life to save her, she blushed hard and had a fond smile at Naruto.
    If Naruto would have told her that, there is no way he would have talked to her with serious like Sasuke did, and she would surely didn't believed the event. Even when Sasuke told her what happened, it was hard for her to believe it, actually. Because Naruto for her is only a fool.
    She never saw him seriously (i mean "manly"), so i think that's why she never realised that he could be her soulmate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Naruto has asked Sakura on a date many times. So he clearly wants a different relationship. Admittedly, he does it humorously to take the sting out of the rejection, but he does want Sakura to accept and be his girlfriend. Even if he doesn't really know what that entails.

    It's Sakura and her feelings for Sasuke that is preventing any potential relationship with Naruto. And Naruto has accepted this.


    You're probably right. It's hard to imagine that Sakura didn't know about Naruto's feelings. It was more likely she only knew Naruto had a crush on her. But she didn't know how much he really loved her.
    Actually, no. Sakura has completely let go of Sasuke. The problem is the bench scene. It's the main reason why she couldn't bring herself to kill him. So, yup it's Naruto who screwed up their relationship from the beginning. And Sakura is to blame as well for her 12 year old self.

    On your second paragraph, yup that's about it.

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    I think it's about what she felt for him that she couldn't kill him.
    It's not about only the bench scene.
    It's about someone she loved, it's hard to kill in those conditions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muka View Post
    I really don't agree with that. She's not. Sakura is really strong willed and stubborn, just like Naruto.



    Who knows ?
    At 13 you're don't really sure about who you love, and about what love is.
    She thought Sasuke was the one, but maybe she was wrong.
    Very soon in the manga, she does blush for Naruto.
    And Naruto happened to be exactly what she wanted many times.
    I don't get it : where do you saw Kishi told it was fake ? On the contrary, i saw an interview were he told she was honest and determined.
    Naruto still entertain a bond for Sasuke too, and he's gone pretty far.
    Sakura haven't done nothing wrong consciously to Naruto, and i think she already bash herself very much for all that.


    I would not be so sure about that.
    When Sai told her that Naruto loves her sincerely, she was shocked.
    She has never realised how much Naruto loved her.
    I think she never realised that was Naruto back then, on the bench.
    And I think if she knew it, that could change some things.
    She's clever, but when it comes to feelings, she's dense. Just like Naruto.
    I've never read something like this from Kishi about Sakura's confession. Do you have any link about it please ? That would be interesting.

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