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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Which of these characters do you feel have had the greatest influence/importance to the story?
Now while Shodai did not directly influence our two main characters, the actions by which he shaped a more infant stage of the shinobi world was very influential to the courses of future events. It is for this reason that I placed him here amongst the other two for comparison.
changed thread title and added a poll ~vintage
Last edited by vintagemistakes; January 31, 2011 at 10:37 AM.
Well, if it weren't for Hashirama, everything would be completely different and the main characters might not even exist.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Might as well add Kishimoto Masashi to that list.
Last edited by Bromamura; January 29, 2011 at 06:29 AM.
The story so far is tighly related to the past of Hashirama and Madara, at least if we take everything that have been said about him. Even today the army of clones comes from Hashirama.
There's a lot to be known about him, but so far I think he is the character that have influenced more in this storyline.
for the manga "naruto" Itachi is the most important of them, he's the most important behind Naruto,Sasuke,Sakura and Kakshi. But for the story IN the manga,I think Hashirama is the one you are saying.
For the plot/story from our point of view, Itachi is definitely the most influential character. From their point of view, whatever that is, Madara is the most important Chess piece.
Hashirama. He was the one who made Madara do what he's doing right now, and the same person who established the whole hidden village in country system (I think). If it weren't for him, neither Itachi nor Minato would have been in the position they were or would have had such influence that they did.
Well obviously, if Hashimara had not existed i mean the whole drama with Madara most-likely wouldnt have been there, so we can say that Hashimara has had a longer influence since it has had an impact for a longer period of time.
Although, i would not say his influence was more crucial than any of the other characters named.
While Hashimara's doing was important, Itachi and Minato's were crucial too.
Without Hashimara, story would not be the same. BUt without both Itachi and Minato, it wouldnt be the same either and far worse, we would be loosing the two most obvious connection to both Sasuke and Naruto's developpement.
Itachi and Minato are equals, both of them established in their own way the same for Naruto and Sasuke.
They are the reason why Sasuke and Naruto will most-likely become the 2 strongest ninja to have seen the day.
I am as strong believer of of the 'Sasuke and Naruto team up against Madara' and them being the ones to bring him down at last, thus bringing peace to the world, and without the sacrifice of Minato and Itachi, this clearly would have never happened.
And since the manga is all about Sasuke and Naruto right now, I'd say that Itachi and Minato's moves are as important or even more than Hashimara's influence since their actions are directly connected to both Sasuke and Naruto's developpement.
Hashimara has had the longest influence, yet Itachi and Minato's are just as important if not more due to their direct connection.
Although, if i had to choose one of them, even their influence was ALL necessary in the manga, i'd have to choose Itachi.
Simply because he's directly connected to both of the main caracters, unlike Hashimara, and because he kept at bay Madara who was on the verge of wiping out the leaf or at least planning on doing, and because not only did his sacrifice protect the village just like Minato did, but also made Sasuke extremely strong which kept Naruto's growth going as well, and because the gift that he gave him might be crucial to Madara's downfall as well as for Sasuke's redemtion.
And because his sacrifice, to me at least, gets the top spot given all the circumstances surrounding it to the very end... (Sorry Minato, you dont have my vote on this!)
Last edited by insid3rkill3r; January 29, 2011 at 07:27 PM.
Minato, easily. He was the one who protected the village from the threat that started this entire manga, that would lead to Naruto being treated the way he was in the village, that would lead to Naruto possessing the Kyuubi, that would lead to Jiraiya's and even Kakashi's interest in Naruto.
That would lead to Akatsuki coming to Konoha looking for the Fourth Hokage's legacy. That would lead to Naruto meeting his mother and father, and to his mastering the Kyuubi's chakra, that would end up leading to Naruto's massive use of the rasengan technique, which just so happens to be influenced from a bijuu's ultimate move.
Minato had a direct encounter with the very man who is now at the helm of this war, Madara. Minato had far more influence, clearly.
Hashirama and madara started the story but we still havent seen itachis entire role. Now that kabuto has ressurrected him, its most likely that he will meet sasuke in the future and that could change everything. Sasuke has fallen into darkness becuz of madara but itachi cud change him if they meet face to face. I feel this will happen after his fight with naruto so we still cant decide who has had the greatest importance to the story. This is just my opinion
Itachi's still a big player with an unfinished plot side, even in "death". Therefore, he is the number 1 guy.
Great thread. Really tough choice. I kinda don't like the arguement in favor of hashirama. Following that logic, rikudo senin would be the most influencing person. Minato has played a fantastic role in shaping up naruto, and naruto-tobi build up. However itachi is winner for me. He has influenced both sasuke and naruto and shaped up naruto-sasuke relation.
As far as I see it, it has to be Hashirama.
Sure, without Itachi or Minato - Sasuke and Naruto would not be in the situations they are in now.
However without Hashirama:
1/ Madara would not have been opposed for Hokageship (if Konoha would have even been formed)
-therefore less chance of a Uchiha rebellion
-therefore no chance of Itachi having to kill of his clan
-therefore no Sasuke hatred related activity...
2/ Madara wouldn't have had his hatred for Konoha
-therefore no attack with the 9 tails
-therefore no Minato having to re-seal the 9 tails in Naruto and also sacrifice himself in the process
3/ Madara wouldn't have the Rinnengan
-therefore no Pain
-therefore no Akatsuki
-therefore no 4th ninja war (or at least less chance of one)
Sure, if you remove Minato then there is no Naruto, and Konoha could have been destroyed by Tobi and the 9 tails
And if you remove Itachi, then there would be no evil Sasuke, and the Uchiha revolt would have (probably) happened.
Minato's and Itachi's predicaments were caused (or led up to) by the whole Madara Hashirama feud. Without Hashirama there could not have been a feud, and therefore it is unlikely that events would have played out in the way that they did - therefore the situations would most likely have been different - and therefore it is fair to say that Itachi and Minato's lives would have been significantly different and their roles in the grand scheme of things may not have been as dramatic.
Anyway, Hashirama's actions were what compelled Madara/Tobi to do what he's doing as of now and what made Minato and Itachi have quite a bit of influence. Though if Madara was included, I'd definitely vote for him over Hashirama.
Minato he is affecting whole story even when he is long gone ... we still don't know what happens when madara get to know that half of the kyuubi is gone ... can juubi be still revived?
and Minato basically made what naruto is now he shaped his future his actions everything ... to me it's no brainer