Fairy Tail 222 Discussion / 223 Predictions

[Poneglyph420]

Seems like without members like Luxus and Gildartz there the FT kids are up he creek without a paddle..
Sure there's still Erza and Juvia as well as the 4 FT members facing off with Caprico.
However it seems like the "theme" is that the FT kids are finally facing an enemy they can't handle with tenacity and head on force...

Though there's still much more to play out before we know exactly...

I was hoping the ghost of Mavis would somehow revive and boot GH from the island..
(At least Hades.. who I'm growing an irrational hatred for..)

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I hope that FT will be saved somehow, but the GH will get from the island and try to handle their plan and meanwhile FT mages will have time to improve, cause it would be too strange for them to jump so great on a power scale just in a glimpse of an eye so quickly right after such a bitting.
Also I hope that Luxus will come back and Gildartz will also come into play. Then FT will have better chance to win.
Also I think Natsu should be trained by Makarov to fight against strong opponents with proficiensy, cause now he can't use Dragon Force from the get-go. He needs strong emotins and that's is his weakness, cause strong opponents as Hades or other Kins might not give him that time.

[Vaste Lorde]

Seems like without members like Luxus and Gildartz there the FT kids are up he creek without a paddle..
Sure there's still Erza and Juvia as well as the 4 FT members facing off with Caprico.
However it seems like the "theme" is that the FT kids are finally facing an enemy they can't handle with tenacity and head on force...

I dunno man, I know Erza's strong but everyone keeps putting her up their. Truth be told, she has never fought someone stronger than the current Natsu.

all in all, I would say Natsu is definitely stronger than her when hes serious. Fairy tail's battles are mostly determined by situation and knowing the opponent. Erza won some of her fights knowing and recognizing her opponents.
Not implying that this is different but she has not proved me otherwise to think she is stronger than Natsu. I would say the other GH could take her down as well.

Its probably gonna Erza and Juvia who wins as well and the the team gather up and rethink their strategies.

FT could definitely use Lexus and Gildarts right about now.

[bittman]

You are probably correct in saying that Erza has never defeated someone "stronger" than current Natsu, but Erza has commonly defeated characters who are probably about the same level of power as current Natsu.

Midnight and Evergreen are definitely at least on par with Natsu, and I could also give some debate to Aria and Ikaruga. Of course Erza vs Erza has probably been her closest fight, but if you think Natsu >= Erza S, then you surely won't believe that Natsu < Erza K.

However, it's not simply that she has been able to win battles against Natsu-level characters. Instead, she's been able to quite easily defeat Natsu-level characters, particularly ever since the whole Tower of Paradise arc where she went through some phenomenal growth.

Since then, Mashima has given Erza the majority of #2 strongest villains whilst keeping the cream of the crop for a desperate battle against Natsu.

Of course, current Natsu was able to defeat Zancrow, which is an enormous growth in itself recently. By the same token, Erza decimated Lluvia + Lisanna. They are hard to compare though, because Natsu is naturally weaker to Lluvia than Erza, and before his fight with Zancrow I definitely would put Natsu as "S-class candadite", not really "S-class".

Still, depending on how the next fight goes you could argue that GH 7kin are full of Erza-level characters, which I would generally agree with.

[ca12nag3]

I think your thinking is a little flawed here,

First of putting characters on lvls as if everyone is just as effective against eachother based on a ladder lvl is flawed.

Since magic typs are just as much a factor as powerlevel.

For instance a water user always has a edge over a fire mage. Erza for instance has aquired many different armors that can counter certain magic, and its been shown over and over again. Furthermore Erza owned Natsu in every 1on1. Same for Laxus and Gildarts. Laxus was only beaten in a 2v1 where Natsu and Gajeel teamed up.

Further more when fighting Zancrow typicaly its ofc how couldnt it be a fire mage! > Natsu eats fire Natsu wins. I wouldnt by default say that Natsu now is so much stronger at all once hes not up against a fire mage.

Well see how he fairs against another wind user or a water user.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Natsu's problem is that he is still inexperienced. He has a great power, but he really lacks in control and actual magical power to back it up. Also sometimes he lacks in tactics. For now he needsw a good teacher to become really strong. If for example, Makarov or Gildartz train him for half a year I'm pretty sure that he will easily surpass Erza.
Also about match-ups. Sometimes it is important, but sometimes water can't counter fire. It happens when the magical power of one opponent is way bigger than the other's. So even if his ability is a bit weaker against the other the mage will prevail with the help of his higher magical power.

Also I'd say that Evergreen is deffinetly weaker than Natsu. Especially after Edoras Arc. Not saying after the fight with Zancrow. Natsu grows during the every fight significantly, so I'd say that at the end of this arc he should be an S-class for sure.

[-Ken-]

Anyhow, the kins are starting to annoy me a little. I thought at least the master of OS should be stronger than the kins. From the look of it, the kins seem to be stronger to me.

[White Silver King]

I think people are forgetting that Natsu has never once defeated a #1 villain on his own. He's had help every single time: Etherion, Flame of Rebuke, Makarov, etc. Ezra wins all her fights on her own with the armors she has traveled the world and fought (presumably) to obtain. Not to mention, IIRC, she did a pretty good job holding her own against Jose, especially since she had just taken a hit from a humungoginmorno cannon that would have killed almost anyone else. In a 1-on-1 fight, Erza could spank Natsu.

[Thorvardur]

Natsu's problem is that he is still inexperienced. He has a great power, but he really lacks in control and actual magical power to back it up. Also sometimes he lacks in tactics. For now he needsw a good teacher to become really strong. If for example, Makarov or Gildartz train him for half a year I'm pretty sure that he will easily surpass Erza.
Also about match-ups. Sometimes it is important, but sometimes water can't counter fire. It happens when the magical power of one opponent is way bigger than the other's. So even if his ability is a bit weaker against the other the mage will prevail with the help of his higher magical power.

Also I'd say that Evergreen is deffinetly weaker than Natsu. Especially after Edoras Arc. Not saying after the fight with Zancrow. Natsu grows during the every fight significantly, so I'd say that at the end of this arc he should be an S-class for sure.

Natsu has great power and he lacks magical power? I would just say that he still has a lot crazy power inside him just waiting to come out, but he lacks the skills to bring them out. he's still little inexperienced and need more time to become the strongest member of Fairy Tail. that I think he will become one day.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Thorvardur
I just wrote a bit bad. I meant the same thing as it is in RPG games. He has a great magic ability, but lacks actually mana points to back it up. So when he gets plenty of fire he gets enough mana points to back up his great ability. Also his ability is still untrained. That was my point.
I agree that he will become the strongest in FT some day. He should even become the strongest in the whole world to beat Zeref (or maybe Hades that will manipulate him) and maybe Black Dragon.

[swordsaintscoot]

natsu will be the strongest. he has the strength in hsi to be the strongest even now. he's like naruto. the powers inside, but without the training and experience he has no proper understanding of how to use his power correctly.

anger won't take him all the way, he won't win all his fights with his emotions eventually something will have to kick over for him to learn how to control his true abilities

[Shiro Tsuki]

Natsu will become the strongest person in FT someday!
He'll be like the one guy everyone admires -_- (just like a mage version of naruto heh)
A hero - blah

Now the path he takes to become the strongest yet -
Well that's what the manga is about...

The reason is quite clear -
Because he is the lead!
You can't fight the laws of Shōnen - Can you?!

Why is the chapter so late!?!

[kkck]

http://forum.mangastream.com/showthread.php?t=13590
I think this is something everyone should read. Manga stream apparently changed raw providers hence the tardy chapters this week. I guess this could be affecting fairy tail too so perhaps we won't see a chapter until tomorrow.

[Kravmaga]

^^^^ (too many quote, so i skip the quote)

Yea okay, I understand about this and that and I can wait with no problem. But do anyone though about FT release date could change without telling us...again!

Hell, I remember years ago, FT used to release on Monday, change to Sunday, then Saturday, then Friday and now Saturday (make up your bloody mind )

Sorry guys but mangastream's turnaround time for weekly series is usually as thin as 4-5 hours and every member is a volunteer with either a job or school. Imagine the room for error in there and being unable to be consistent down to the day might be a bit more forgivable.
As their official FT nutcase, I can tell you 223 is mostly cleaned and redrawn but we're missing our translator who's traveling can promised us the best he can do is a day and half later than usual.
Tl;dr? expect it later tomorrow.

Meanwhile with the mods' permission, maybe I could post a couple carefully-cropped spoilers if that would help ease the pain?