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    Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    There was recently a lot of discussion on the role of the Kidou Corps and its leaders. Thus, I am creating a thread for these topics to be discussed more in-depth.

    This thread is for discussing anything related to the mysterious Kidou Corps, but here are some starter questions to address:
    • What does the Kidou Corps do?
    • Does it have divisions like Gotei 13 and Covert Ops do?
    • Since Tessai and Hachigen left, are there positions filled? If not, why? If so, why haven't the leaders of the Kidou Corps made any appearance yet?
    • Is the position of Kidou Corps Commander really on equal footing with Captain Commander of Gotei 13 and Commander-in-Chief of the Covert Ops, or is one more powerful branch than others?
    • Will the Kidou Corps ever play an important role in the manga, and what might that role be?

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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    I'll try to answer those questions:
    -The Kidou Corps specialize in Kidou and trains Shinigami's who are talented in Kidou,to make them Kidou experts;
    -I don't know if it's got divisions like Gotei 13,but it would be possible since there are was a CC(tessai)and VC(hacchi);
    -I also wonder why the Kidou Corps haven't made any appearance,maybe they only appear in cases of emergency(eg: if someone manages to open a portal to the King's dimension,the Kidou Corps would seal that portal);
    -Just like Yama is god-like in reiatsu,power,zanpakutou in the same way the Kidou CC is god-like in reiatsu,kido(since to cast higher level spells you need a lot of reiatsu);
    -I expect the Kidou Corps to play an important role,maybe not in this Arc,but if by some mischance Aizen escapes that prison and frees all the prisoners,the Kidou Corps would create a barrier to seal them off,or ...I don't know,but I expect them to play an important role;


    Just remembered the talk about Tessai being equal in power with Yamamoto.I seriously doubt that in terms of raw strength and zanpakutou release(did Tessai even ever had a zanpakutou with him?)Yamamoto would totally own Tessai.Yet,just as Yama is god-like in strength/zanpakutou,Tessai is god-like in Kidou.He should be able to use 90's level Hadou/Bakudou without incantantion,and should have developed secret Kidou,or forbidden Kidou(such as time stop etc).
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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    I'll try to answer those questions:
    -The Kidou Corps specialize in Kidou and trains Shinigami's who are talented in Kidou,to make them Kidou experts;
    Well, yes, that much is true and already known. Perhaps I should explain that question a bit further :

    We know from the databook and what little has been said about it in the manga that the Kidou Corps specializes in kidou and takes talented shinigami from the academy to make them kidou experts. The actual duties of the Kidou Corps, however, are said to be wrapped in absolute secrecy.

    The only explicitly named duties that we know they perform thus far are operating the Senkaimon, the gate the connects Soul Society to the living world, and releasing the Soukyoku for executions.

    So, given that this branch exists as an independent body and is said to operate in complete secrecy, the Kidou Corps must do something else pretty important besides just managing the Senkaimon and Soukyoku. What could their big, important super-secret responsibilities be?

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    Oh...thanks for refreshing my memory.Since both Senkaimon and Soukyoku are (very)important things and they're the only public duties,then those unknown duties must be also (very) important.Maybe they monitorize the Hell(though I doubt this),maybe they are developing forbidden kidou...I utterly have no idea about their secret duties.Maybe they too are a line of defense for the King's Dimension,in case the Gotei 13 are defeated they will use forbbiden kidou to kill,seal or something like that.Maybe they are the Back-up in case the King's Key is created,they have the means to destroy it,or seal it.Or (in fact this is certain)in Bleach Movie 4 Hell they are sealing the Hell's Gate,after it got broken by Ichigo(if I remember correctly).So,I believe that they are some kind of secret organization which only acts in cases of (extreme)emergency.(eg The King's Key,Hell's Gate gets broken,and other stuff like this).

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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    I'll try to address my own questions too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    • What does the Kidou Corps do?
    • Does it have divisions like Gotei 13 and Covert Ops do?
    • Since Tessai and Hachigen left, are there positions filled? If not, why? If so, why haven't the leaders of the Kidou Corps made any appearance yet?
    • Is the position of Kidou Corps Commander really on equal footing with Captain Commander of Gotei 13 and Commander-in-Chief of the Covert Ops, or is one more powerful branch than others?
    • Will the Kidou Corps ever play an important role in the manga, and what might that role be?
    1) I like your theories, g0dzax, on what the Kidou Corps does. I had not considered them having anything to do with Hell, but I could see that. Tessai and Hachigen had the devil horns in their hair back when they were still part of the organization. I originally thought it had to do with kidou meaning "way of the demon" (or some variation), but that would be a really interesting twist too.

    I also was thinking that the Kidou Corps probably does do something related to maintaining the isolation of the King's dimension. Who would create the King's Key? The Shinigami Research Institute didn't exist back then, and so the only logical creators would be in the Kidou Corps. They likely can do something in case another key is created or even if the key is destroyed. The forbidden kidou spells Tessai used seemed like the kind of space-time magic required for maintaining the dimensions.

    Perhaps the Kidou Corps does something even more important in that regard like being responsible for dimensional stability as a whole. The anime made it seem like 12th division is in charge of the train thing in the Dangai during the Amagai filler arc, but it makes more sense if the Kidou Corps manages that. What if the Kidou Corps is the only thing keeping the dimensions from collapsing on one another?

    I theorized that they might spend a good bit of their time developing kidou. Some organization must have created the hadou and bakudou spells and numbered them the way they do, and research into the ways to manipulate reishi for kidou seems pretty important. The Kidou Corps perhaps has some way of enforcing what kidou is used.

    One of the Bleach movies had Hitsugaya and his division guarding a very powerful artifiact. While I know the movie is not canon or anything, it made me think about whether such powerful items would truly exist or not. If they did, I would think the secretive Kidou Corps would be the best people to do it.

    We know that the Daireishokairou (the Great Spirit Library) is the archive where all knowledge in the Soul Society is stored. Access to this place is said to be restricted. Well, someone must be in charge of maintaining this place, and unless it has its own staff, I would guess that the Kidou Corps probably manages this as well.

    *This is getting a little long and I need to leave soon, but I shall respond to my other questions later *

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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    I don't even know how I could possibly miss the small detail about the horns Tessai and Hacchi had..It could be a pure aesthetic choice though.

    I also like your theories on the Kidou Corps maintaing dimensional stability.Though,I think that just as the Dangai (a separate dimension)doesn't require maintaining(since it's a separate dimension,that doesn't have any bussiness with the Human World/Shinigami World),the same could be said about the King's dimension.Now that the train thing is gone,we could see who is going to make another train thing.Personally,I doubt the 12th Division is the one who created the train.The Gotei 13 existed long before Urahara joined the 12th Division and made it a "science"Division.Remember,Hiyori was amazed by the fact that Urahara was turning the 12th Division into a "science" Division.This means that the previous Captains of the 12th Division were ordinary Captains,and the 12th Division was an ordinary Division.Only after Urahara became the Captain did the Institute of Development and Research(is this the name?something like that...)appear as an organization.

    Since the 12th Division wasn't a "science" Division before,the only ones who could have possibly created the train would be either The King himself(since Gin specified that it wasn't something of reiatsu,it was more like a law of nature,fundamental)or the Kidou Corps made it out of a special Kidou(though,I am not sure about this).If the latter proves true,then it would mean that the Kidou Corps are VERY powerful if they can play with the very fabric of reality(just like Aizen :P).

    I also agree with the fact that the Kidou Corps developed the Kidou and ranked them in the way they are.I also think that the Kidou Corps are developing other Kidou(new hadou/bakudo)and at some point,after they believe that the spells are ready to be integrated in the system of Kidou,we could see the ~198 Kidous become ~300 Kidous.I really am surprised about the fact that the highest hado/bakudo is 99.I suspect that the Kidou Corps are either developing past 100 level,or they're modifying currently used kidou.

    That Great Spirit Library is either maintained by the Kidou Corps,either the Central 46,either the Institute of BlaBlaBla,either it is maintained by a staff/division not specified in the manga.

    I'm wondering why the Kidou Corps didn't appear in the fight against Aizen.Either they can't be disturbed in their very important duties,either they didn't care,or they had something else to do.Would have been nice though to see the current CC of Kidou Corps against Aizen.
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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    I'm wondering why the Kidou Corps didn't appear in the fight against Aizen.Either they can't be disturbed in their very important duties,either they didn't care,or they had something else to do.Would have been nice though to see the current CC of Kidou Corps against Aizen.
    What I was thinking was that they are not a combat-specialized division. Gotei 13 seems to be in charge of protecting Soul Society, and so fighting Aizen just wasn't in their jurisdiction. If Soifon was not also a Gotei 13 captain, she might not have gone to confront him either. (Well, it also sort of makes sense for Covert Ops to confront Aizen since he is a rogue shinigami and they handle assassinations and detention, but Covert Ops doesn't seem like a front-lines type of organization.)

    Next question:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    • Does it have divisions like Gotei 13 and Covert Ops do?
    I would hope so. Perhaps some members are relegated to the menial public tasks like Senkaimon maintenance whereas others specialize in other things. Perhaps there are multiple Vice Kidou Chiefs like one heading up each division. I think we have only ever seen Hachigen using bakudou. Maybe that is what he specialized in performing. Perhaps there is another Vice Kidou Chief who handles hadou, another for sealing magic like with the Soukyoku, or another for some other form of kidou we have yet to see explored.

    If the Kidou Corps has separate divisions, I hope there is one dedicated to purification or something similar. I would like to see Kubo incorporate more of traditional Japanese mythology and religion into the manga. Having shinigami that look and act like miko and Shinto priests/priestesses performing purification rituals would be pretty cool.

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    I always assumed Retsu Unohana was the Kidou Corps head after Aizen betrayed them (I used to assume it was Aizen b4).

    Anyways , i assume that they are just Shinigame taken from Goten 13 who have shown talent in Kidou arts and have hence been given special training over it . Part from that , they are just distributed among the Goten 13 and are as such like a sub category of specialisation among them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhoot View Post
    I always assumed Retsu Unohana was the Kidou Corps head after Aizen betrayed them (I used to assume it was Aizen b4).

    Anyways , i assume that they are just Shinigame taken from Goten 13 who have shown talent in Kidou arts and have hence been given special training over it . Part from that , they are just distributed among the Goten 13 and are as such like a sub category of specialisation among them .
    Before we actually saw Tessai and Hachigen as Kidou Corps members, I assumed that the Kidou Corps might have been subsumed into Gotei 13 like the Covert Ops had been too, but the information we got during the gaiden cleared that up for me. The Covert Ops is usually separate unless united by its commander becoming captain which sometimes happens when a Shihouin is running it (and since Soifon made a point to claim all of Yoruichi's former positions, she accomplished the feat too).

    The Kidou Corps is its own branch and not a specialized division of Gotei 13. This has been stated explicitly in the databook and implicitly supported in the manga by Hitsugaya's description of the branches of Soul Society military.

    From the databook, we already know a little bit about Aizen and Unohana, and it nowhere mentions them as being connected to the Kidou Corps.

    Aizen is known to have been an instructor at the academy, which correlated to the manner in which he supposedly ran the 5th division. I find it unlikely he was also connected with the Kidou Corps, let alone its commander (but Kira being a member of the 4th division for some vague period of time was also a rather random surprise by Kubo; so anything is possible, I guess ).

    Unohana has been a Gotei 13 captain for such a long period of time, even back when Tessai was head of the Kidou Corps, who was also seemingly in his position for some time too. It seems a little odd that she would just decide to become Grand Kidou Chief. Anything is possible, and I think she might be so amazingly skilled in all facets of kidou to hold the position (she still hasn't shown very much), but it all just seems rather improbable.

    The more logical explanation is that the current Grand Kidou Chief is just some unseen character. We have already know that it is exceedingly rare for Gotei 13 to interact with the Kidou Corps, especially its leader; so, not seeing the new leader is not something difficult to conceive.


    That sort of responds to my third question:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    • Since Tessai and Hachigen left, are there positions filled? If not, why? If so, why haven't the leaders of the Kidou Corps made any appearance yet?
    I think the positions have been filled. It has been a century, and that just seems far too long for a body to function without any sort of leadership. Tessai and Hachigen were presumably not the only members of the Kidou Corps (if they were, it would make the Kidou Corps pretty laughable but would explain all of the mystery around it ), and so there must have been others who could act in their capacity, at least administratively like Izuru, Shuuhei, and Momo are the acting captains of their divisions.

    There may, however, be some sort of special qualifications to be Grand Kidou Chief or even Vice Kidou Chief. If one of the positions is empty, I would imagine that it would be Tessai's old one since it seems a little unlikely that it should be so immensely difficult to reach vice-anything. Perhaps you need to master every kidou spell, even forbidden kidou, to officially attain the rank of Grand Kidou Chief.
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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post

    There may, however, be some sort of special qualifications to be Grand Kidou Chief or even Vice Kidou Chief. If one of the positions is empty, I would imagine that it would be Tessai's old one since it seems a little unlikely that it should be so immensely difficult to reach vice-anything. Perhaps you need to master every kidou spell, even forbidden kidou, to officially attain the rank of Grand Kidou Chief.

    I agree.The forbidden kidou might actually be an adition after you become the Chief.One requirement that passes my mind is that you need to be able to use 90's level kidou without incantation.Another thing that bugs my head is if they also must have Bankai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    I agree.The forbidden kidou might actually be an adition after you become the Chief.One requirement that passes my mind is that you need to be able to use 90's level kidou without incantation.Another thing that bugs my head is if they also must have Bankai.
    That's a pretty interesting notion that someone would need bankai to be Grand Kidou Chief. With an organization focused around the use of kidou, I am not sure how important the other three areas of shinigami combat, zanjutsu (swordsmanship), hohou (foot/movement techniques), and hakuda (unarmed combat), are.

    Zanpakutou usage does typically involve some manipulation of spirit particles and energy, which might have some connection to kidou. We haven't seen either Tessai or Hachigen ever use a zanpakutou for combat yet, but we have at least seen that Hachigen has a sword.

    Concerning the other areas of shinigami combat, we have Tessai take out hollows unarmed without kidou, which would be an example of hakuda. That is pretty impressive, I think. He might have picked up such skills, though, from being childhood pals with Yoruichi and Urahara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukisama View Post
    Concerning the other areas of shinigami combat, we have Tessai take out hollows unarmed without kidou, which would be an example of hakuda. That is pretty impressive, I think. He might have picked up such skills, though, from being childhood pals with Yoruichi and Urahara.
    Tessai has been childhood pals with Yoruichi and Urahara?.If that were the case,it would mean that Yoruichi and Urahara should be experts in Kidou,since Tessai could have easily taught them tricks,how to use Kidou efficiently,and maybe forbidden Kidou too.In TBTP arc,Urahara was shown to be training only with Yoruichi if I remember.

    Tessai may have been seen as unarmed,yet maybe he had used a Kidou enhancing his strength.


    Edit: Thanks for the link to that page.I didn't remember that .Now that I have that in my mind,it is possible that Tessai is so powerful since he trained with Urahara and Yoruichi(though this is an assumption,with no evidence).
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    Re: Kidou Corps Mega Convo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    Tessai has been childhood pals with Yoruichi and Urahara?.If that were the case,it would mean that Yoruichi and Urahara should be experts in Kidou,since Tessai could have easily taught them tricks,how to use Kidou efficiently,and maybe forbidden Kidou too.In TBTP arc,Urahara was shown to be training only with Yoruichi if I remember.
    Well, the reference about Tessai being with Yoruichi and Urahara in their younger days is here. That passage is typically used to infer that Tessai was with Urahara and Yoruichi in their youth, as it is said somewhere (I could look for it if you like) that Urahara stayed at Yoruichi's estate when they were young.

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    Tessai may have been seen as unarmed,yet maybe he had used a Kidou enhancing his strength.
    Responded to that part here.

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