i'm telling you that ulq believes shinigamis are weaker than hollows (which obviously is only a pride-based statement and also due to his ignorance because hollows dont get into SS parties)
he is overrating his own strengh because mighty godzen gave it to him and fed him ,and all the espada, up with his stories about SS and how they can overthrow shinigamis ...
finally,urahara wasnt trying to destroy half of karakura town , he used the minimum strengh he could that would beat yammy and thus ulq could easily deflect it ... were they in a desert and no one was with them , he would have smoked ulq because, clearly, he travels with his inventions in his pocket
Last edited by Gran Maestro; March 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
in his fight agaisnt ichigo he tells ichigo that no shinigami can beat a hollow <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this is my point
I think you're misunderstanding the quotes if you think they don't add up.
First quote says that if Aizen told Ulquiorra that Urahara was on his level, then Ulquiorra wouldn't have thought that he would have the upper hand, even if the other was taking care of the wounded.
Second quote says that if he didn't know the names and approximate level, then you could argue he was overestimating himself, but considering he knew that Yammy wasn't on their level (at that time), and he knew how strong they were, that shows that Ulquiorra was never told Urahara was Aizen's equal in overall power...
Edit: This is sorta nitpicking, but wasn't Ulquiorra's point that humans would never be the equal of hollows? He acknowledges that shinigami should imitate hollows to get stronger, but he doesn't continue the statement to say that shinigami could never beat hollows, no? Otherwise, it doesn't make sense for him to become an Arrancar.
Last edited by UchihaHunter; March 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM.
- Let's look at what took place in that battle. Yammy was about to shoot a cero at point blank range. Yoruichi was going to sit there and take it, because Orihime was behind her. Urahara jumped in and dissipated the blast. If we replace Yammy with Ulq R2 and cero with a close range lanza, Urahara likely would of been severely damaged or one hit KO'd.
Ulquiorra did feel he would win, but Ulq still had R2 to rely on and could make them take his most powerful attacks.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; March 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM.
Ulquiorra knew how powerful Urahara and Yoruichi were but this power is less than you think.
And Ulquiorra's superior officers were all shinigami.
i'm telling you, if you take what ulq said as truth then you gotta take what he said when ichigonator poped up , what byakuya said about ichigo training 1000 years and still losing to him (if you didnt notice, byakuya was facerolled and shown mercy twice by a 3days trained ichigo and ulq saw his most powerful attack taken barehanded by ichigonator)
you are only saying that there is a different between what kubo implies and what characters boast about because you want to use whatever you like as an argument and tell to whoever you want that there areguments are false ...
now , if it was starkk i would have taken his speech as truth (because his opinion isnt biased and he has high analitical skills ... ) but ulq follows aizen orders blindly , his background is flawed thus any logical statment he tries to make isnt 100% accurate (try to believe that you can divide by zero then you will see miraculous mathematical deduction possible)
Last edited by tousendrinksbleach; March 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM.
And didn't we see Aizen and espada having a tea party?
If people disregard some statements and then quote other characters to support their arguments, it creates an unfair discussion platform which is based on our individual subjective opinions about who is right and who is wrong. I had the exact same problem in Byakuya vs Yoruichi thread and I don't want to go through it again. Any statement can be claimed to be wrong provided that you have enough creativity to speculate. The more we introduce our speculations to the manga, the further we move away from the possible truth.
I gave you the correct translation, interpret it in any way you wish but don't quote me and say I'm wrong just because you don't agree with the said manga character. Don't shoot the messenger. And don't say "Ulquiorra didn't believe shinigami could defeat him", his Aizen-sama was a shinigami. Ulquiorra actually said "To think that I would be defeated by a human who had transformed into a hollow", when did he say no shinigami could ever defeat him? Post a link, I hope you aren't pulling stuff out of thin air.
What does Ulquiorra statement prove about Urahara's power level?
you took the fact that he knew who urahara was and developped a manga out of it , seriously ... what does this have to do with what he knows about urahara's strengh or if he was misled by aizen or not (again i tell you, aizen isnt stupid to share his thoughts with his pawns ... look at poor tousen , even the one who followed him since he was just a vc was just played)
as for the shinigami and human part , you are missing the point .... its like im telling you that i ll use this pistol to kill a guy and you are telling me that i'm wrong because it's actually a sniper gun....
my point is : ulq analitical skills are not high enough to make eveything he says true : he said a human ransforming into hollow can no beat him but he even oneshoted him
Last edited by tousendrinksbleach; March 11, 2011 at 12:38 PM.
wait what we now claiming Urahara is below ulq in power level ? all because of ulq bragging, an enemy bragging they stronger then lose quite easy is manga law
Last edited by Gran Maestro; March 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
It's apparent that you don't understand where I'm coming from or what I'm talking about.
my post. Ichigo's hollow form who surprised Ulquiorra is a good excuse to disregard everything in the manga in whatever context. IMO Ulquiorra had the second best analytical skills after Starrk among the espada. Anyway, feel free to disagree with me or manga statements, you are entitled to your opinion.
People don't read posts carefully, so I guess I have to write in capital letters for people to see. Did you read this?
Last edited by Gran Maestro; March 11, 2011 at 01:02 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
that's the ticket, urahara going bankai to beat ulq ? you are kidding ? ... benehime smokes ulq in R3 if he still could transform
jus read your own post, it's like implying that aizen needs to go bankai to fight ulq in r2 >->