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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
Team Cueball Cubed
Team Krazy Kidz
Last edited by ShootToKill; March 11, 2011 at 01:10 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Also Ikkakus Bankai breaks easily, but it cuts easily too. It focuses completely on power, so its not like its not a dangerous Bankai.
I think the "breaks easily" aspect was more due to the fact that he was heavily injured and low on reiatsu. Had he gone bankai early in the fight I don't think it would have broken so easily. That being said, the biggest personality factor you should be looking at here is Wonderwiess's. He's by far the biggest variable here, is he going to attack relentlessly? Will he chase butterflies? Will he attack Momo?
As a matter of fact, I think WW was in a way programmed by Aizen to go all-out against Yamamoto specifically when the time came. I don't think he'd relentlessly pursue other opponents the way he did to the old man. In other words, Hachi having time to come up with a plan to deal with him while Wonderwiess stands around with a stupefied look on his face his heavily likely. Even if he decided to charge Hachi out of nowhere at first, Hachi will put one of those 3-layered barrier-walls in front of him, WW will collide with it, and stare at the wall that just came out of nowhere in awe while saying "Ooooo aaaaaaaaa??"
I don't even think Hachi needs Ikkaku to be honest, but worst case scenario he serves as a decoy for Hachigen to devise some way to properly dispose of the special child. One plausible way that doesn't even require much thought or effort is simply having Ikkaku charge up his bankai and take WW's head or upper-torso off in one strike (after WW is bound by one of Hachi's bakudous), as ShootToKill has suggested. Wonderwiess displayed amazing HSR, not hierro, so don't tell me Ikkaku can't do it.
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; March 11, 2011 at 02:39 PM.
How was Ikkaku low on reiatsu? Considering the argument that we had yesterday regarding Harribel, I was of the impression your side believed that unless it's directly stated in some way that the person was low on reiatsu, assuming that they were is incorrect.
Anyway, regardless of injuries, etc., the fact remains that it was a Fraccion that pushed him to that point. WW...OHKO'd a senior captain in Shikai, took everything Mashiro had to give him while masked, and survived a pretty powerful physical strike from Yama. I don't know who we've seen Ikkaku beat that shows he has power like that.
I think Hacchi is the key here, but...WW speedblitzed Ukitake, I can't imagine that it would be hard for him to do the same against Hacchi.
Edit: @ShoottoKill - Also, after all of the bitching and moaning on this forum about Zommari's speaking to Byakuya and revealing his abilities, you're going to tell me we aren't considering personalities? The fact that someone had to ask if Ikkaku could use his Bankai should tell you that we are considering personalities.
I'm not arguing that Ikkaku can defeat Wonderwiess on his own, am I? Of course Hachi is the key here; Ikkaku can certainly help facilitate things though. I think with his bankai he does approach captain level (much more so than Renji), so there's obviously a very strong possibility that if he puts all his strength into one attack (while Hachi has him bound) he can off Wonderwiess.Quote:
Sure, there's the chance Wonderwiess will try and speedblitz Hachi right off the bat, but he's also just as likely to do the same to Momo or stare into space. Being that Ikkaku is present—and that he's likely to rush in first himself—it is unlikely that Hachi will be Wonderwiess's first target.
WW and Hinamori should win. It's more likely Wonderweiss solos this. It's possible but, I highly doubt Hachi could catch WW in his kido even with his talents and experience with kido. Hinamori should be able to handle Ikkaku even though I ultimately see him beating her with bankai. It's not much to say, WW likely blitzes Hachi and shoot him down with a bala or something while Ikkaku wins his match but get's the same treatment or even just hand-to hand combat.
Hachi standing a chance against WW? His best option is to put on his mask and try to get his ass out of there as soon as possible.
WW is crazy fast. He would KO either hacchi or ikkaku the moment the match starts
We never saw WW attack an ally. We never saw Allon attack an ally. If in a team battle, we are considering the members as teammates and allies (so basically, for some odd reason, WW and Hinamori are on the same side), I don't think we have to worry about WW pwning Hinamori (not to mention that Hinamori wouldn't die anyway, lol)
Momo can hold her own against Ikakku by fighting ranged.
Kido and Tobiume are excellent weapons against Ikakku.
Ikakku's Bankai will be a problem though, but she can still fight ranged.
Wonderweiss speedblitz Hacchi.
Then proceeds by speedblitzing Ikakku.
Wonderweiss speedblitzed a Captain level combatant.
Ukitake wasn't paying attention though, but Hacchi and Ikakku has never been noted as being fast at all, it's unlikely that they'll be able to prevent a blitz from happening in my opinion.
Gave it to team WW. I'm of the opinion that WW could just "decide" he's ready to get serious, like he did against Ukitake. And that's really al it'd take if he was ready to finish things. Hell, Ikkaku wouldn't go bankai, and Hacchi is an immobile and huge target (meaning WW's childlike nature will cause him to notice the huge guy in the middle more than he would Ikkaku, and go after him first).
After reading the bull I just wrote, I've realized the same damn thing I always do in a match with WW: he's potentially a beast (vs. Yama, Ukitake) but most of the time, he's toying with his opponents (Mashiro, Urahara, butterflies, Kensei). So I guess I'm basing it on his potential aswell as regenerative ability.
It makes no difference either way, Hachi can swiftly deal with Momo in a number of ways before she can even begin to contribute to her team. Then he'll just hit WW with a bakudo 63 and...well, you know the rest.
Wondy is way overrated. Just because he caught Ukitake by surprise and stood against Yama-sama for a couple of minutes (thanks to hsr only) it doesn't make him the strongest arrancar.
And as others have already said, if Hachi manages to restrain Wondy in time (WW ain't no Barragan, he cannot melt Hachi's kidou one after the other) fully powered bankai Ikkaku might be able to slice Wondy in pieces.
He blitzed a senior and was exchanging hits with the strongest captain.
He also showed the best HSR from all the arrancars.
Hachigen is gonna be blitzed and Ikkaku's bankai will get destroyed by WW's casual punches.
Senior who was at that moment startled by superchunky and thought "oh, here's another friendly chibi arrancar like Lilly" when he saw Wondy.
At the bottom panel we see that Ukitake and WW had eyecontact.
And suddenly Ukitake gets blitzed:
Shunsui/ Ukitake both couldn't react, even if Ukitake thought "oh, here's another friendly chibi arrancar like Lilly" he still got blitzed.
Shunsui himself looked terrified in this panel:
Or atleast overcome with bloodlust, the fact that he usually doesn't do anything to children and he does at that point means that he either feared WW powers or he wanted revenge.
And even then, WW also beat bankai Kensei:
Because the next time we see WW is here:
Outside of that WW was still exchanging blows with Yamamoto and the latter was even saying how strong he was on more then one occasion.
You are highly underestimating Wonderweiss....
Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; March 12, 2011 at 10:08 AM.