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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
I'd have to disagree. I think Akutsu does have a lot of potential, but I don't think he's as highlighted as Fuji is in skill. Fuji's always been referred to as a genius, and he was able to come back from 5-0, 0-40 down against Shiraishi to almost beat him (and Shiraishi's one of the strongest characters in the series, even before he took off the forearm weight). And the only reason he lost was because he hadn't created Hashi Hanabi yet.
I think, by the end of the series, Fuji will probably be in the top five strongest in the series. But that's just my opinion (and I admit I'm rather biased :P)
As for Fuji vs Shiraishi, Fuji was weaker when they played in the nationals, surpassed Shiraishi after playing Niou, but would most likely lose against Shiraishi without the gauntlet. Granted, he might get another power-up, but for now he's weaker than Shiraishi.
Tachibana > Fuji? Tier List discussion go?Originally Posted by KuwabaraTheMan
I do agree that he's weaker than Shiraishi. At least for now from what we've seen. But I was just giving that as an example of why I think Fuji is stronger than Tachibana and Akutsu. I don't think either of them could give Shiraishi a run for his money. ESPECIALLY without the gauntlet.
Fuji might be a genius, but Akutsu is a greater genius. It's pretty much established in the series that Akutsu is the most talented character, he just never trained.
Also, I'm not sure how Fuji could even return Abare Dama.
As for Chitose, I can't really see him above Fuji. Sure, he has Saiki but I'm still convinced that CE can beat that, and Fuji's other options are simply superior from what we've seen so far.
I'd say that Tachibana is definitely below Chitose and Shiraishi. And I'd say Fuji is even with Chitose (or even a little better) anyways. As chaosmaster said, Fuji might, MIGHT, not be able to Abare Dama, but Tachibana wouldn't be able to return Hecatoncheires or Hoo Gaeshi either (at least without getting Hoshi Hanabi used on him).
Closed Eyes beats all!!! Kidding but Fuji COULD determine the location of the ball but probably not return it. If he had to return it, he would probably use Fourth Counter. Who knows, Seventh Counter? I can imagine the court exploding if he uses it
The above poster does raise a good point. The trick to Abare Dama is the illusion of multiple balls. But is Fuji uses his Closed Eyes 'technique' that he used against Niou, he wouldn't see the illusion, but would still be able to know where the ball was and return it like he did against Niou.
Consider though that Tachibana can probably overpower Fuji to an extent, especially with Moujuu. Even without Abare Dama, Tachibana could probably keep up with Fuji.
I don't know. I always saw it as Chitose was better than Tachibana (he was up 5-4 and serving for the match before he activated Saiki), but Chitose's best skill is Saiki, and Fuji already proved that CE can counter Saiki. I can't see Chitose being able to counter both Hecatoncheires and Hoshi Hanabi.
Considering that we saw Chitose and Tachibana in a doubles match in the court shuffle, I definitely believe that we'll see them move on.
Fuji's above them for the moment, at least in my opinion.
But you need an insane slice, not top spin, to counter Hecatoncheires. Though I still think Chitose might be above Fuji, if only slightly.
And I don't think Tachibana would be able to power through Fuji with any of his techniques. Fuji's just too strong of a counter puncher. I do believe he'd be able to keep up for a little while, but once Fuji gets serious, it's over for Tachibana (in my opinion).
No, an insane slice is needed. How Hecatoncheires works is that it is an extremely fierce slice, so that it goes to the other side with a lot of backspin. Then, when it changes directions, the spin remains the same, but the opposite direction makes it now a top spin. Because of the amount of top spin on the ball when the opponent returns it, the ball sinks very quickly/early, causing it to go into the net.
It's the same concept as Tsubame/Hoo Gaeshi. When the opponent hits a top spin shot, it makes it automatically a backspin shot from Fuji (unless he puts enough counter spin on it), so he slices it, adding even MORE backspin to it, which makes it where the ball doesn't bounce.
And I don't quite remember that happening, but I haven't read through the manga in a while. I'm actually re-reading it at the moment, but I'm not even done with the Prefectural Tournament yet.
So, I talked to Sai about the issue:
Basically, according to Sai both the topspin and slice approach are possible, though when hit with a topspin, more power is needed.Quote: