Team Ice, Ice Baby vs Team Ladies Knight

[Hystzen]

to me the reason nel lost to nnorita was her broken mask and it popping back her back into child form..look at the panels nnorita was pretty much scared to death at been overpowered by Nel he only started grinning when she was turned into a child.

then again the trouble here is histu...would he use his most dangerous hax move HH with rukia still there..in FKT he didnt want hurt his allies so if lisa and nel attack histu straight away they could beat him before he tries HH as he doesnt want his teammate

still not sure on this

[xXan]

to me the reason nel lost to nnorita was her broken mask and it popping back her back into child form..look at the panels nnorita was pretty much scared to death at been overpowered by Nel he only started grinning when she was turned into a child.

then again the trouble here is histu...would he use his most dangerous hax move HH with rukia still there..in FKT he didnt want hurt his allies so if lisa and nel attack histu straight away they could beat him before he tries HH as he doesnt want his teammate

still not sure on this

Back in FKT he had no idea he can control that move. Now he can. He is not going to kill Rukia at the same time. Nel is going to end up a popsicle fast.

[Kugo Ginjo]

Back in FKT he had no idea he can control that move. Now he can. He is not going to kill Rukia at the same time. Nel is going to end up a popsicle fast.

Has he ever show the control of it, yet?

Pure speculation on your part.

[Waking_Dreamer]

Has he ever show the control of it, yet?

Pure speculation on your part.

The part where he ONLY nailed Harribel shows that for that instance he did control it.

So technically speaking he has a 100% rate of controlling it. Of course that was the first time he ever used it in bankai so his concerned was warranted...

By this time he would have had some experienced with its power before hand already.

[Kugo Ginjo]

The part where he ONLY nailed Harribel shows that for that instance he did control it.

So technically speaking he has a 100% rate of controlling it. Of course that was the first time he ever used it in bankai so his concerned was warranted...

By this time he would have had some experienced with its power before hand already.

He himself stated that he couldn't control it, or atleast not control it well.

Harribel didn't die so it didn't actually work, she was frozen for quite some time anyway it is possible that she would've died soon after that.

You don't know what it would be cabable of if he has full control over it, nor do I and that's why I replied to the other guy who said that his control in FKT was poor.

[Waking_Dreamer]

He himself stated that he couldn't control it, or atleast not control it well.

Harribel didn't die so it didn't actually work, she was frozen for quite some time anyway it is possible that she would've died soon after that.

You don't know what it would be cabable of if he has full control over it, nor do I and that's why I replied to the other guy who said that his control in FKT was poor.

He said he feared the use of it while in bankai and thus never used it once before.

Once HH trapped Harribel by all intents and purposes she was defeated.

Nothing but plot to stop Hitsugaya from shunpoing to her while she was inside and have him stab straight into her head ensuring death. She wouldnt be able to defend herself at that moment at all.

True we have not seen its FULL capabilities, BUT enough has been shown that it is useable in battle to an extent.

[Kugo Ginjo]

I'm not arguing against Hitsugaya in the first place, I just didn't agree about this:

Back in FKT he had no idea he can control that move. Now he can. He is not going to kill Rukia at the same time. Nel is going to end up a popsicle fast.

Especially the bolded.

If we do not know what the "full control" of it is capable of then it shouldn't be used in an argument.

[Waking_Dreamer]

^ Fair enough.

I thought you were implying he had "No control" of it at all, and therefore the actions against Harribel were lucky at best.

[xXan]

Has he ever show the control of it, yet?

Pure speculation on your part.

Huh? You mean Toshiro saying so himself is speculation?

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...72-page-6.html

[Kugo Ginjo]

Huh? You mean Toshiro saying so himself is speculation?

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...72-page-6.html

Did he said that it improved in any recent chapters?
Did we see any improvements of Hitsugaya in any recent chapters?
Did we even see Hitsugaya in recent chapters?

No.

And he also said "I never though that I'd be able to control it", so he can control it to an extent, you were almost implying that he had 0 control over it which wasn't the case.

[xXan]

Did he said that it improved in any recent chapters?
Did we see any improvements of Hitsugaya in any recent chapters?
Did we even see Hitsugaya in recent chapters?

No.

And he also said "I never though that I'd be able to control it", so he can control it to an extent, you were almost implying that he had 0 control over it which wasn't the case.

Sry bub but i just don't get what you are tring to comunicate here. I never said he can't control it .. I stated the opposite...

Also he said he can control it and not that he can control it to some extent... He can fully control it but he was to scared to use it and never belived he could do it.

Also as for :

Did he said that it improved in any recent chapters?
Did we see any improvements of Hitsugaya in any recent chapters?
Did we even see Hitsugaya in recent chapters?

I really have no idea where you are going with this.

[benelori]

We have to consider Neliel's disadvantage of turning into a baby...I don't know what are the mods stand on this, or how the rules affect Nel, but she is not in her prime...releasing is too much for her, so I doubt that she can fight a longer fight, of course the last fight is speculation...

Also I don't see the scenario where Rukia will be dealt with quickly...this is a team fight not 4 people fighting separately...Rukia's kidou will be a great support for Hitsugaya, so it will make the team survive longer at least...

The worst scenario I can think of is Hitsugaya against Lisa, and Hitsugaya wins there...I don't see Neliel fighting with full power for long, and of course Tenso Jurin is an ability that nor Lisa, nor Neliel could outmatch...sheer power or range...

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He himself stated that he couldn't control it, or atleast not control it well.

Harribel didn't die so it didn't actually work, she was frozen for quite some time anyway it is possible that she would've died soon after that.

You don't know what it would be cabable of if he has full control over it, nor do I and that's why I replied to the other guy who said that his control in FKT was poor.

I don't think the issue of actually dying is really an issue...Harribel didn't get out of that prison on her own...

Once Hitsugaya locks them up, there is no escape from it...

Another scenario that popped in my mind...given the range of Hitsugaya's bankai...I think it's possible that Hitsugaya would do Senne Hyorou on Lisa, trap her there, and then Rukia and Hitsu would team up against Nel...which is still a win for them

Ice, ice baby for me...cuz it's a legendary song

[Raizen]

Ice ice baby wins this

Rukia may be the weak link here, but she is quite adept as back-up. Neliel released is not very impressive. Once she throws the lance, how will she get it back? And that lance should be easily dodge by hitsu seeing as how he dodged halibel's projectiles pretty well.

And rukia is quite a smart fighter. I can see her hitting lisa with some kido. Will it bring her down? Maybe not, but it would definitely give hitsu more than enough chacne to finish them both,

And the fact they both use ice and build on each other is all the more of a case

[SaintSheik]

Hitsugaya: Alright stop, collaborate and listen.

I think the Ice Team wins. Sure they're up against a Vaizard and a former top three Espada but the endless abilities of Hitsugaya's zanpaktou more than make up for that. On top of that, Rukia and her kidou, as well strategically used dances, make IIB a great team all things considered..It doesn't hurt that they are literally the two most popular characters in the series yet not popular enough to remain in the tournament..

[exacta]

Only problem I have with Team Ice, Ice Baby is the fact that their element always seems to kinda....well suck. Most of the time ice attacks usually just end with the character breaking out.

Even if Rukia or Hitsugaya do get hits in, Lisa or Nel can just break the other out if they can't by themselves, which I see them doing in every case except Hyoten Hyakasso, but Hitsu won't use that anyway since he wouldn't want to endanger Rukia. Rukia definitely can't handle Lisa or Nel in a 1-on-1 either, whereas I'd say I could see both giving Hitsu at least a decent fight in a 1-on-1. So I'll vote Team Ladies Knight. If Hitsu had a different teammate my vote might be different, but its the fact that Rukia seems to be much weaker than Lisa and Halibel that makes me lean towards them.