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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
In what I said is that the superiority of World Government is due their time as rulers, considering that RA is quite young as an institution. And being young and already be a challenge makes me believe they're stronger...At least potentially.
Some people dont get it.
Everybody argues that if the RA would be that strong, they would have had beaten the Marines already.
Clearly no, as this is not their goal. The RA doesnt want to kill off somebody or beat down to a pulp, they want to change the whole system, and just destroying it wont change anything as people wont trust them then.
Thats why the have to camly gain trust.
I vote for the RA too, even though the Marines (more precisly, the World Goverment) is a force to be reckond with, just think about the probable power of the gorusei.
The Yonku are strong too....but in the end, Whitebeards crew would have been wrecked without ruffy and his impel down crew.
Shishibukai is weakest to me. Two reasons; Kuma is a revolutionary himself as probable hancock (she is not world goverementally firendly at all ) and hawkeyes cetrainly isnt a world goverment clown, which leaves doflamingo....so meeeh, no they are weak because they are no real group and everybody is just doing what the hell they want to do, they are pirates after all
Last edited by Rikudou Sennin; March 30, 2011 at 02:56 PM.
This is a difficult one, but I chose the Yonkou. Here's my reasoning:
Marines: The marines are pretty weak, despite their massive numbers. Luffy alone, while at Enies Lobby, took out countless marines, and that even before Haki or Gear Second/Third. Imagine 3 of the strongest pirates ever taking on the marines. If Luffy without some of his strongest skills could do as much damage as he did, the Yonkou could tear them apart.
Shichibukai: Yes, they're strong, but Mihawk, who's probably one of the strongest, admitted that the distance between them and Whitebeard, and then pretty much ran away when Shanks showed up. So imagine them two, plus two other ridiculously strong pirates, working together...and don't even get me started on Moria. He was a coward whose only strength was his massive army of zombies.
Revolutionary Army: This is the main reason that it was difficult to choose. Now, we can't say that Dragon is ridiculously strong. He very well may be, but it's not fact. Yes, he's the most wanted man in the world, but that's because he's the leader of a group that is planning to overthrow the World Government. It isn't guaranteed that he's a leader because he's strong. He could just be an amazing leader and could demand respect because of his leadership skills. So, we can't guarantee that he's ridiculously strong. Basically, while this group is a good candidate for the strongest, we can't really say they are because there's too much mystery about them. We don't know their power.
Old storytelling is exactly as you say. Old. It doesn't guarantee that it's true for this. We don't know much about them, so I can't say they're the strongest. Look at Naruto for example. The 'mystery group' was Akatsuki. And now almost all of them are dead with only Asuma and Jiraiya dead to show for it. And in Bleach, the big 'mystery group' was the Espada, and now all of them are dead with no casualties to show for it. So I can't factually say just because they're mysterious means they could take down 4 of the strongest pirates ever (3 if we aren't counting Whitebeard).
Dragon is helluvah strong, I can assure it.
He is a D. He's son of Garp. He's the most wanted man. It's actually quite the same than holding an title of Yonkou, but He's making an army out of it.
We KNOW his power, as well.
So a middle name starting with a letter means he's strong? And his father being strong also makes him strong? Give me a break. Those are worthless arguments. And I already presented an argument against the most wanted man thing. Of course he is, he's leading a revolt against the World Government. Doesn't mean he's a beast fighter. Think about it this way. Most generals in the military are rather old (50+). Do you think they'd get much done on the frontlines? No. But they're incredible strategists, which is why they are the leaders. And the president of the US is high on the hit lists of many of America's enemies. But they aren't fighters either. They are just the leaders.
And I'm pretty sure that since we are grouping them together against other groups to see which is stronger that we're assuming they're going to work together.
Based on what I know, it's gotta be the yonkou. Just one of them forced the entire marine force and all active shichibukai to gather together. Therefore, if all the Yonkou share the same range of strength, Shanks + Kaidou + Big Mom > Marines + Shichibukai.
The Marines are probably the strongest, but the RA is far more dangerous, like a wildcard. How much forces do they have? Where exactly are they? The Marines don't know that, and that's what makes the RA so scary. In fact, the RA probably have many more members working in the WG and Marines, acting as spies. Kuma is one example, and even Sentomaru (working under Vegapunk) didn't know that. The WG/Marines may have spies in the RA, but I somehow find that unlikely with the reveal of the CP9.
In a way, I find the way the RA acts very Sun Tzu-like. They are probably weaker, but are able to manipulate the WG right into their hands, sometimes without fighting. (See sabo arc)
If Yonkous managed to make an Allience they would deffinetly become the strongest. I'd even say that the allience of two Yonkou will be the strongest group, but for now, cause they aren't going to make it I'd say that Marines are the strongest group.
Also we don't know much about Revolutionary Army, but I think its biggest strength lies not in direct fighting capabilities (even though I suppose that they are pretty strong), but in their political threat to the World Government and Celestial Dragons.
I can see RA being allies for Luffy when he finds out One Piece in overthrowing WG.
Like other said, the combined power of the four Yonkous would be the strongest group, but they don't work together so, I think the Marines are the strongest.
Nevertheless the power level of the Revolutionary Army is unknown, maybe they are a little bit stronger than the Marines but they prefer to wait for the most appropiate moment to attack.
Once we see all the Commanders of the RA together in the meeting with Dragon, we can imagine how strong they're.
Dragon's title also doesn't say anything about the actual level of his strength. Unlike the Yonkou title, Dragon's status as "Most Wanted Man in the World" is not based on total military strength. Bounties are assessed on how much the WG views the individual to be a threat to them. That is why someone such as Robin had a high bounty placed on her even when she was a child with no combat ability whatsoever. Even if Dragon is a weakling, the WG would still view him as a major threat to them because of his actions.
Considering how everyone talks about Dragon, and there is more than one reference when Luffy does something strong that He's is indeed his son or they talk about his Haoshoku I really doubt He has petty force. :/