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  • Team Big Gunz

    62 68.89%
  • Team Raggs to Riches

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Thread: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    It has never been stated that it wasn't, the fact that normal souls can't interfere with it and Shinigami CAN means that they aren't just souls.
    This isn't really important since it's been proven that those wolves are energy based because they're like flames. If it's energy based, then it's not immune from Barragan's TDF.
    Last edited by Omiem; March 13, 2011 at 01:46 PM. Reason: The souls topic doesn't really matter..

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Omiem View Post
    TDF....
    TDF starts REALLY close to his body. Soifon was inches away from his head when she started to feel the effects. I'm pretty sure it's close enough for the wolves to explode and deal substantial damage, especially if he didn't expect it. He wasn't able to TDF the explosion from Soifon's bankai at close range, after all. He had to rot it while it was enroute to avoid the explosion. You can bet that if they explode within a few inches of him, he can't do anything about it... just like with Soifon's bankai.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    i guess there point defending my vote for barragan to beat starrk.

    barragans speech http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...82-page-4.html
    "Humans die, animals die, plants die and even Shinigami die. For everything that dies, there is age, too. If things that humans create can die, then Kidō, created by Shinigami, is no different. As Kidō may last for a thousand years. But it cannot last forever."

    a soul does not last forever so respira can age starrks wolves

    and errr yeah shinigami are souls...why do you think ichigo switches from human body to soul form when he used the shinigami badge or kon

    nothing lasts forever which is why he was so damn haxx ..barragan can age everything
    Last edited by Hystzen; March 13, 2011 at 02:09 PM.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatic Scream View Post
    TDF starts REALLY close to his body. Soifon was inches away from his head when she started to feel the effects. I'm pretty sure it's close enough for the wolves to explode and deal substantial damage, especially if he didn't expect it. He wasn't able to TDF the explosion from Soifon's bankai at close range, after all. He had to rot it while it was enroute to avoid the explosion. You can bet that if they explode within a few inches of him, he can't do anything about it... just like with Soifon's bankai.
    :O

    Anyways, if Barragan didn't age the explosion with TDF, then his entire body would've been obliterated. Tell me, how does Barragan lose his left skull side and not his right skull side? Or, how does Barragan lose his right arm and not his left arm?

    EDIT: Actually, looking back at your post, I think you were implying about something else. If so, then ignore what I just said.
    Last edited by Omiem; March 13, 2011 at 04:46 PM.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Omiem View Post
    This isn't really important since it's been proven that those wolves are energy based because they're like flames. If it's energy based, then it's not immune from Barragan's TDF.
    Who has stated that they were energy based?

    Look at what Love & Rose say about them:
    First they were flames:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-31672-...apter-373.html
    Then they were cero's:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-31672-...apter-373.html

    Stark explains that it is neither, it are parts of his soul:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-31672-...apter-373.html

    Age and time only applies to physical things, a soul wont be affected by either.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    Who has stated that they were energy based?

    Look at what Love & Rose say about them:
    First they were flames:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-31672-...apter-373.html
    Then they were cero's:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-31672-...apter-373.html

    Stark explains that it is neither, it are parts of his soul:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-31672-...apter-373.html

    Age and time only applies to physical things, a soul wont be affected by either.
    Um, whoever said that those wolves were intangible?

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Omiem View Post
    Um, whoever said that those wolves were intangible?
    Isn't the issue, age/time can't do anything to souls.






    They keep reforming either way if Barragan somehow attacks him with his weapon.
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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    Isn't the issue, age can't do anything to souls.






    They keep reforming either way.
    Shinigami (死神, "death god(s)"; Viz "Soul Reaper(s)") are a race of spiritual beings that act as enforcers who all share similar supernatural powers. They are souls with a high level of innate Spiritual Energy,

    soi fon was aged and so yeah his wolves will be aged

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hystzen View Post
    soi fon was aged and so yeah his wolves will be aged
    And like I said before, normal souls can't do anything to the human world, while shinigami can.

    Shinigami have some sort of physical body.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    And like I said before, normal souls can't do anything to the human world, while shinigami can.

    Shinigami have some sort of physical body.
    what??

    shinigami are souls just made of particles which normal humans cant see or even touch the plane they walk on ..same with hollows they can hurt humans but not be seen by them.
    people like ichigo with high SP can see them even touch them

    this was all covered in the first chapter

    only time they have a physical body are with gigai which is why they have them in first place as rukia explained when she appeared in one
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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    Isn't the issue, age/time can't do anything to souls.






    They keep reforming either way if Barragan somehow attacks him with his weapon.
    Um, no, because they're still tangible. Anything that's tangible is not immune from getting aged regardless.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hystzen View Post
    what??

    shinigami are souls just made of particles which normal humans cant see or even touch the plane they walk on ..same with hollows they can hurt humans but not be seen by them.
    people like ichigo with high SP can see them even touch them

    this was all covered in the first chapter

    only time they have a physical body are with gigai which is why they have them in first place
    Then explain me this,

    Why can a soul of a human not interact with the human world while a shinigami/hollow obviously can?
    Souls can be touched and also be destroyed by some abilities, but can they be aged, I've never heard of a soul that died of old age.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Team Big Gunz for the win here. I think at this point it's clear Matsumoto is superior to Omaeda in almost everything shown between the two except shunpo/speed. Barragan vs Starrk is the real match-up here. People have there opinions on who was the stronger Espada and mine is Starrk. I know Barry was hax but overall he was not as good as Starrk. Starrk had great analytical skills, far better swordsmanship, combat speed, he was a real generalist. Barragan had nothing to offer or that was note worthy that impressed me but respira. Starrk has enough force and firepower to overwhelm his TDF imo.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Team Big Gunz wins this.Barragan's respira can age a one shot bankai from Soifon,but had Soifon been able to sustain that attack of her,I believe sooner or later she would have overpowerd Barragan's respira due to him running out of reaitsu to maintain the respira/TDF.In this case Stark has the higer reaitsu reserve than Barragan do,which means as long as Stark keeps his distance,he can continue to spam cero's at Barragan,until Barragan reaitsu reserve is depleted,thus leaving Barragan,with no defense from Stark ceros or wolves.Matsumoto vs Omaeda isn't even a fight,since Matsumoto seems much stronger than Omaeda.

    Just Sayin.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Basically Starrk vs Barragan - I think Baraggan wins. Starrk being #1 isn't much of an argument imo, just means he has slightly higher Reiatsu than Barragan - not more lethality.

    Respira is just too deadly - and if a direct hit from Soifon's Bankai can only break off a bit of his "skull", I am not aware of what Starrk can do to hurt him, Starrk seems to be more about spamming lots of weaker (now I'm not saying weak, I'm saying individually they are weaker than Soifon's Bankai) attacks, and I just don't know if he can take him down.

    Starrk will outrun Respira until he gets tired / gives up, then Barragan wins. My feeling is that Starrk's ceros / wolves will deplete his Reiatsu more quickly than Barragan's Respira will deplete his - but that's just my opinion. Therefore at the moment I'm siding towards Rags to Riches.

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