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  • Team Big Gunz

    62 68.89%
  • Team Raggs to Riches

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Thread: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

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    Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Team Big Gunz vs. Team Raggs to Riches


    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned
    Starrk

    Coyote Starrk is the Primera Espada, signified by the "1" tattooed on the back of his left hand. The aspect of death he represents is solitude. Starrk has an overall lazy and laid-back personality and is normally reluctant, yet can be serious and willing to do what needs to be done to complete the task at hand.

    Unlike the rest of the Espada, Starrk's power is not sealed inside his zanpakutō but is released when he recombines with Lilynette Gingerback, who was shown as his Fracción but is actually another part of him. When they combine, their release is Los Lobos. He wields two ornamental guns able to fire off cero in rapid succession, one of these guns actually being Lilynette with whom he is able to converse. Stark and Lilynette can also separate portions of their souls to form a pack of wolves that explode upon contact with an enemy as well as form swords for close combat.
    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned
    Matsumoto

    Matsumoto Rangiku is Lieutenant of the 10th Division of the Gotei 13. She has an easy-going and free-spirited personality. Despite her lackadaisical image, she can be extremely serious when needed and is a capable fighter and strategist.

    Like most of Vice Captains, she is reasonable at swordsmanship, shunpo, kidō, endurance and durability. Her shikai ability of her zanpakutō, Haineko, turns her blade to ash. She can then cut anywhere the ash has landed on.
    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned


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    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned
    Baraggan

    Baraggan Luisenbarn is the Second (Segunda) Espada and the self proclaimed King of Hueco Mundo, who even in presence of Aizen still arrogantly claims his kingship. His Resurrección, Arrogante, lives up to its name in which he rots all with his powerful and deadly, Respira. This attack is so threatening that even Baraggan himself succumbs to it in the end.
    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned
    Oomaeda

    Ōmaeda Marechiyo is the self-centered second-in-command of the 2nd division and Omnitsukidou (Covert Ops). Coming from a wealthy family, he has developed into a lazy, greedy, gluttonous, overweight, cowardly buffoon, but despite his shortcomings of personality, he is quite loyal and can exhibit moments of substantial competence and skill, at a level expected of a Gotei 13 vice-captain and Covert Ops commander, when the situation becomes serious. His melee-type zanpakutō, Gegetsuburi, takes the form of a large metal sphere with spikes and an attached chain in shikai.
    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned


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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    I would have to side with Raggs and Riches here. Even though Starrk is a rank above Barragan, that doesn't mean he's stronger overall, since ranks are only based on Reiatsu. Anyways, I think Starrk's Ceros can be aged similar to how the explosive energy of JR was aged, and those wolves would probably get aged too when they come in contact with Respira or TDF. Yes, they're souls, but that doesn't mean they're intangible or anything. As for Starrk, he can't really defend himself against Respira besides using speed, and I do think he'll eventually get caught seeing how Soifon got caught in it. As for the VCs, Omaeda seems pretty useless here, so he probably wouldn't last 30 seconds in this battle in my opinion.
    Last edited by Omiem; March 13, 2011 at 12:11 AM.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    This fight is the equivelent of Starrk vs. Barragon, as both secondary combatants are completely superfluous here. As such, as I said in that thread, Starrk, albeit barely. This is an epic fight to watch, because it ultimately falls down to whether or not Starrk can keep spamming and avoiding Respierra until it finally reaches and overwhelms Barragon, thus it's going to be nonstop movement this entire fight. And Starrk excels at that.

    Course Barragon's sheer lethality is equally dangerous, but it's countered by a heaping helping dose of Stupid. Hence why I tip the scales in Starrk's favor. Though again, only just.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Yeah this basically amounts to Starrk vs. Barragan. While I'm certainly not one to let the ranks dictate which espada I think is stronger, I do believe Starrk was the strongest arrancar overall. That respira is definitely among the most dangerous things in bleach, but fortunately for Starrk he's quick enough to avoid it and can basically wear Barragan down from a safe distance.
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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Well, I don't see how you guys can confidently say that Starrk is fast enough to avoid Respira if Soifon's speed couldn't avoid it, and there's really no solid basis to say that Starrk is drastically faster than Soifon.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Frankly he doesn't have to, all he needs to do is hold it back with a mass influx of cero's, predict the fire or whatever the hell he does with that scouter of his, and GTF out of dodge in the middle of the barrage. Starrk's advantage is that he can send an entire wall of energy at will to keep it off him constantly. Continuous fire his his massive advantage over Soifon, ignoring speed entirely, as even if the power's weaker overall, it still will last longer.

    Though frankly if you boil it down to it I'd hold Starrk literally in the top three behind Aizen and Yamamoto in terms of speed. Starrk's so fast we've literally never seen him accelerate, his reactions are top notch, and the only reason he went down as easily as he did was because he was completely and totally blindsided by an ability he couldn't possibly have seen coming.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    I agree the VC's mean little in this fight.

    I've always had an idea that in the same way the Hachi enclosed Barragan with Kidou and made Soifon's attack explosion a close range one, Stark could just surround Barragan with wolves and have them all attack at once. If they exploded in a radius around Barragan I'd say that would be effective. Another scenario would be Stark just spamming his Cero's while Barragan keeps blowing out his Respira. I'm not sure who would win that as I don't know if Respira dissipates or just keeps reaching out and aging everything. If it dissipates from energy or explosions then Stark wins that way as well.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    It's pretty obvious for me. Starrk is Primera Espada and Barragan only Segunda, so it's rather clear that he wins this. Starrk isn't only stronger, because he has more reiatsu than Barragan, but he is faster and more adecuate and not arrogant. Also as he has more reiatsu his attacks are stronger. That's given.
    Also his wolves are pretty useful in a fight against someone like Barragan and also his Cero Metrolleta.
    Also VC are pretty useless hear, but I'd go with Matsumoto over Omaeda, hence she can actually help Starrk a bit with Kidou after she takes Omaeda. It won't be desecive, but still it will surely distract Barragan and this might create a good opening for Starrk.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Stark can fire his 1000 Cero, but when Soi Fon's Bankai in a tiny space, fired at point blank range was only able to rip off a piece of his face, I'm gonna go right out and say that Respira will do just fine against the Cero.

    Honestly, I think it's serious crap that he lost to Tessai, but I hope he'll at least dominate the team battles, he deserves to.
    Last edited by Takahashi; March 13, 2011 at 05:25 AM.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Assuming it's Starrk vs Baraggan & the rest are just fodder...... I trust Aizen's judgement in assigning number 1 to Starrk & 2 to Baraggan....I see Starrk analysing powers mid-fight & finding another loop hole in baraggan's powers (even if it come's down to just reiatsu vs reiatsu, starrk wins, even if it's barely) plus Baraggan arrogance could easily contribute to his downfall...........
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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Stark's powers are the perfect counter against Barragan.

    Since when can you age parts of a soul?
    A body can age, a rock can age but a soul doesn't die from old age, that's why souls go from earth->Soul Society->Heaven(?)

    So Stark can win this fight without moving, unless he has to dodge Respira, which he definitely can.

    Omaeda and Matsumoto can fight eachother or something, and Matsumoto would probably win but in the end, they are fodder in this fight.

    Team Big Gunz (<- Lol name) wins this.
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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    The issue I have with comparing Soifon's bankai to Starrk's Cero machinegun is fundamentally, the two are entirely different. An explosion won't work on Barragon. The energy only exists for an instant or two before dying down, and unless it's particularly potent it shouldn't be able to get through his Respeira and reach him.

    However Starrk's Machinegun can literally keep coming all day, wearing the Respiera down until it does actually get through through sheer brute force. I don't doubt his ceros even strung together are far weaker than Soifon's bankai, particularly condensed, but they get what that didn't, sheer time with which to hack at it.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Besides what Random's posted (which I essentially agree with), you also have to consider that once Starrk whips out the wolves, Barragan has to protect himself from EVERY ANGLE. He's not made of Respira. He's going to have to go on the offensive while protecting himself from the wolves which can literally attack from any angle.

    Add that to the fact that Stark is literal the smartest combatant (outside Aizen and Urahara probably) seen in the series, and that Barragan is a complete moron whos middle name is hubris, and his haxx ability starts to seem like a lot less of an auto-win.

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    [QUOTE=Omiem;2343717 Anyways, I think Starrk's Ceros can be aged similar to how the explosive energy of JR was aged, and those wolves would probably get aged too when they come in contact with Respira or TDF. Yes, they're souls, but that doesn't mean they're intangible or anything. QUOTE]

    The wolves prolly won't be effected. Souls can't age, they exist forever. The body can of course, but the wolves are purely made of Starks soul, they shouldn't age. Plus he can send like 50 of those and have them all explode. He can also spam ceros too, if he spams enough Barragan should take some damage. And I don't know if Respira would age ash. I guess??? I don't know. Too bad Barragan got paired with Omaeda.......How come no one ever gives the Fraccion a chance in these tourneys?

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    Re: Team Big Gunz vs Team Raggs to Riches

    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatic Scream View Post
    Besides what Random's posted (which I essentially agree with), you also have to consider that once Starrk whips out the wolves, Barragan has to protect himself from EVERY ANGLE. He's not made of Respira. He's going to have to go on the offensive while protecting himself from the wolves which can literally attack from any angle.

    Add that to the fact that Stark is literal the smartest combatant (outside Aizen and Urahara probably) seen in the series, and that Barragan is a complete moron whos middle name is hubris, and his haxx ability starts to seem like a lot less of an auto-win.
    TDF....
    Quote Originally Posted by exacta View Post
    The wolves prolly won't be effected. Souls can't age, they exist forever. The body can of course, but the wolves are purely made of Starks soul, they shouldn't age. Plus he can send like 50 of those and have them all explode. He can also spam ceros too, if he spams enough Barragan should take some damage. And I don't know if Respira would age ash. I guess??? I don't know. Too bad Barragan got paired with Omaeda.......How come no one ever gives the Fraccion a chance in these tourneys?
    Shinigami's are souls too, and they age. Plus, those wolves are like flames, so they're energy based. If it's energy based, then it's not immune from Barragan's powers seeing how the explosive energy of JR was aged by TDF. Starrk's best hope is his Ceros, and I personally don't think they'll be enough to bypass Barragan's defenses here.

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