Bakuman Vol 15 (ch125-ch133) Discussion

[dewkage]

.... Can I point out that we have been using the argument from Chapter 127, where Shujin says, he isn't ready for kids.... Doesn't nessicarilly debunk the Kaya pregnancy theorys, because unless you use protection, a woman can get pregnant very easily.

exactly, just because he doesn't want kids doesn't mean he isn't going to get kids. My wife got pregnant even with using protection

[Knifeshade]

Can I point out that while you have been using the argument from Chapter 127, where Shujin says he wants a kid....doesn't necessarily mean one panel of Kaya with fever in bed means she's going to give birth next chapter because this isn't CSI.

[Maxy Barnard]

Wow, it's almost like people are speculating on what could happen. Sure it's based on two small things, but it's kinda cool that you're all looking into this stuff, whether for or against the idea of it being an early sign of pregnancy

Personally I'm seeing it as a chekov's gun of sorts. It seems weird to have Shujin say he explicitly doesn't want a kid yet without that becoming involved in a plot at some point. Even if it's not now (which I'm totally unsure of), it's safe to expect it at some point in the future at least

[alphabeta]

Wow, it's almost like people are speculating on what could happen. Sure it's based on two small things, but it's kinda cool that you're all looking into this stuff, whether for or against the idea of it being an early sign of pregnancy

That's because 9 out of 10 people agree, that by the time Bakuman ends Kaya should be pregnant / or already have a kid. So, inderectly all those who are saying Kaya isn't, hope that Bakuman isn't... going to end soon, while those who say she is, either are understanding that that means the soon end of bakuman, or simply don't understand the meaning of Kaya being pregnant.

You know, i just thought, and... what would happen if... Azuki got pregnant?

Total fail for Saikou of course, because his one love cheated on him, and now he has no reason to draw manga, and heck, this could make a great idea for a new arc.

[yukilove21]

That's because 9 out of 10 people agree, that by the time Bakuman ends Kaya should be pregnant / or already have a kid. So, inderectly all those who are saying Kaya isn't, hope that Bakuman isn't... going to end soon, while those who say she is, either are understanding that that means the soon end of bakuman, or simply don't understand the meaning of Kaya being pregnant.

You know, i just thought, and... what would happen if... Azuki got pregnant?

Total fail for Saikou of course, because his one love cheated on him, and now he has no reason to draw manga, and heck, this could make a great idea for a new arc.

Oh my god. That sounds really interesting, Alpha.... But it would never happen. Azuki loves him.

[saladesu]

Bakuman 130 English Translation

So... Most of it turned out to be pretty emo-ish stuff, with Saikou emo-ing about not having a "normal" life till he talked to Shuujin (their conversation was nice in its own way, and probably sounded way cooler in Japanese. I apologize for my inadequacy... )

At the end at least something more exciting happened in the final 3 or 4 pages. If this spells the end of PCP, then I guess that opens the door to them writing a new manga and hopefully this time this one gets an anime and all that.

I agree with Noodles about Shuujin's statement regarding kids. It will definitely play into the story at some point, even if not right now. I guess my argument for Kaya being pregnant now is pretty much gone though, as my main argument was based on the fact that there was no reason why Saikou should have gone for the reunion alone and Ohba wouldn't have wasted panels on showing Kaya sick. I figure the reason why Saikou had to be alone was because Shuujin probably wouldn't have felt the difference as much as Saikou did. Honestly Shuujin has the easier job between the two (in general), plus he has a wife which lends more normalcy into his life which Saikou currently lacks.

Also, it's kinda cute that Ohba used Sakura TV as a TV station in his manga again If anyone's forgotten, that's the TV station from Death Note What is interesting though, is that in DN, Sakura TV was an unreliable station that often aired false stuff, broke laws to do that and etc. There's a parallel that can be drawn here, I suppose, with how Kaya points out that they're using material from PCP without permission.

[alphabeta]

Oh my god. That sounds really interesting, Alpha.... But it would never happen. Azuki loves him.

I still don't get whether you really think my idea was interesting or you're just trying to make fun of me...

Bakuman 130 English Translation

So... Most of it turned out to be pretty emo-ish stuff, with Saikou emo-ing about not having a "normal" life till he talked to Shuujin (their conversation was nice in its own way, and probably sounded way cooler in Japanese. I apologize for my inadequacy... )

At the end at least something more exciting happened in the final 3 or 4 pages. If this spells the end of PCP, then I guess that opens the door to them writing a new manga and hopefully this time this one gets an anime and all that.

Emo-stuff... i pointed that out in my review . And Kaya does have fever .

Also, how about Ohba-sensei, really does show us real existing mangaka's like Oda instead of only mentioning him and his work. And someone robs a bank, like the main characters of PCP? Hattori, increasing the popularity of PCP? I don't know. After this, it's definetly either getting an anime, or getting a cancelation.

[Reclaimer]

And someone robs a bank, like the main characters of PCP? Hattori, increasing the popularity of PCP? I don't know. After this, it's definetly either getting an anime, or getting a cancelation.

I'm sensing that I'll be forced to literally stop reading Bakuman due to unforgivable idiocy on the part of Ohba.

As you said, there are two outcomes to this:
1) The publicity from the news report (national news?) causes a sponsor to step up, and thus PCP gets an anime.
2) Shueisha gets scared and cancels the series. (Which would absolutely, positively cause it to get an Anime, not that I would expect that to happen in Bakuman. Cancelling the series as a result of someone copying a prank would get so much media coverage and people would be so interested in PCP, there is no way it wouldn't get an anime and experience massive volume sales.)

Either of those is a forced way of moving the story along, and the latter would be a repeat of the Saiko getting sick arc which was also nothing more than a forced way of stalling the series.

It is debatable whether he ever really had it, but I'm almost positive that Ohba has lost it.

[alphabeta]

It is debatable whether he ever really had it, but I'm almost positive that Ohba has lost it.

Well, you definetly must be a little "non-standard" to come up with the idea of a notebook that can kill

Either way, personally, i think, that Ashirogi will not get a PCP-anime. I mean, if they did, the story would of bakuman would go something like this.

Ashirogi meet ----> Ashirogi does Trap ----> Saikou half dies ----> Trap gets canceled -----> no anime for the first time -----> Ashirogi does Tanto -----> Ashirogi realize Tanto sucks -----> no anime for the second time -----> Ashirogi does PCP -----> Big Boss says no anime -----> no anime for the third time ----> Ashirigo goes Emo ------> Someone robs a bank -----> Ashirogi get a PCP-anime ----> Ashirogi finishes their goal -----> Bakuman ends...

So on one hand we have the 9 year long battle between Light vs L/Melo/Near/FBI/Mafia/U.S. President which comes with a super-climax (The End of Death Note)

And on the other hand we have an unnamed person who robs a bank... (The End of Bakuman)

So, PCP will not get an anime, as long as Ohba doesn't decide to finish Bakuman somewhere around chapter 135

[Teeba]

I think I can relate to how Saiko feels in regards to the class reunion. The grass is always greener on the otherside. However, I think the best thing is to have a job that you love. Imagine how boring a lot of his former classmates jobs are!

This reminds me of a while back (maybe 6 months ago?) A group of kids committed petty crimes in the name of Kaito Kid, the famous jewel thief from Detective Conan. Quite frankly, I'm surprised somone actually did it, because in fiction you have to sort of suspend your disbelief there are such obvious loop holes in bank security.

I'm finding this plotline interesting. Here Saiko and Shujin were thinking they were doing a pretty good job managing the fine line between what is acceptable and what is too amoral in Jump, but I guess not. XD What I want to know is, will PCP undergo a genre shift, or will the bank news story raise its popularity?

[sir_arles]

Chapter is out

[saladesu]

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[saladesu]

Also, how about Ohba-sensei, really does show us real existing mangaka's like Oda instead of only mentioning him and his work.

I agree that would be nice, after all he's already based the editors off their real selves and made them look like their real selves too. Since Oda, Kishi and others have been mentioned a couple of times over the course of the series, it certainly would be nice to see them. Maybe they're too shy and don't allow Obata to draw them

And someone robs a bank, like the main characters of PCP? Hattori, increasing the popularity of PCP? I don't know. After this, it's definetly either getting an anime, or getting a cancelation.

Nah, no way could it be Hattori. He's not that insane. Or at least that's what I hope

I'm of the opinion that they will get canceled. Even though bad press is still publicity, it is unlikely that any sponsor would want to sponsor such an anime if it's gonna get complaints from parents, schools etc about kids imitating the pranks. This time it's a more major one, the bank prank, but as evidenced by that ex-classmate of Saikou's whose brother was scolded for imitating PCP, many kids are imitating the more "minor" pranks. Japan isn't America.

I think I can relate to how Saiko feels in regards to the class reunion. The grass is always greener on the otherside. However, I think the best thing is to have a job that you love. Imagine how boring a lot of his former classmates jobs are!

I agree, the grass is always greener on the other side, but in many ways Saikou is already very lucky to have a job he enjoys, and to be able to work with his best friend too!

This reminds me of a while back (maybe 6 months ago?) A group of kids committed petty crimes in the name of Kaito Kid, the famous jewel thief from Detective Conan. Quite frankly, I'm surprised somone actually did it, because in fiction you have to sort of suspend your disbelief there are such obvious loop holes in bank security.

Not to mention the murders committed in the name of "Kira"... I guess PCP is really in many ways a mirror of Death Note. Which then begs the question about whether PCP will get an anime at all, since Death Note did, even if it took a while before DN ever got an anime, in fact it only had one after the whole series ended.

And yeah, I find it unbelievable that the bank security could be that bad. Even worse if they find out the culprit is some kid/teenager

I'm finding this plotline interesting. Here Saiko and Shujin were thinking they were doing a pretty good job managing the fine line between what is acceptable and what is too amoral in Jump, but I guess not. XD What I want to know is, will PCP undergo a genre shift, or will the bank news story raise its popularity?

A genre shift would be interesting, but would be a little strange... :/ Plus if they did ever get an anime in the future they might have to cut out some of the earlier arcs. Not impossible and has been done with other anime adaptations before, and given PCP's episodic nature, it would be fairly easy to do without changing the overarching story very much.

[meepers4982]

quite honestly even if it may raise the popularity of the manga i think it will get cancelled or at least be at the verge of getting cancelled, the reason why the chief didnt want PCP to have an anime was because he didnt want people to try out the different things the characters do in the manga, this is exactly what he didnt want to happen and now its not only going to make ashirogi look bad but jump as well (in the manga).
I liked this chapter it had a little darker feel then the previous chapters which were lighter and more comical and even the artwork was more detailed, really looking forward to this arc.

[-Ken-]

I hope I'm not the only one thinking something bad will happen when Saikou get pour the liquor. I'm glad it doesn't lead to a fight with Azuki or anything.