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He can use a kunai, or maybe he can "grind" it off with Rasengan, lol.
[quote]Itachi can break jiraiya's spirit in an instant and yet he never done that.. He just using a sexy babe to lure jiraiya out of their way.. Itachi admitted that jiraiya is stronger than him and kisame, infact, itachi's strategy/plan is to use a sexy babe because that's jiraiya's weakness.. That's the weakness on the man for whom they admitted as stronger than the both of them..[/quote
He only used a woman to lure Jiraiya out of the way. Why not have her attack Jiraiya or have more women lure Jiraiya? Why not have someone else attack Jiraiya or keep him busy?
Kisame repeated that again, and Itachi never denied nor confirmed that he could beat Jiraiya, he just indicated Jiraiya would be a very tough challenge. Kisame indicated that Itachi could take on Jiraiya when they were running away, but Itachi never denied that like he did before they met Jiraiya.
If Itachi wanted, he could have just used Amaterasu on Jiraiya, he could have used Tsukuyomi, he could have even put Jiraiya under genjutsu, which Jiraiya couldn't break out of easy since he admitted to be bad at genjutsu. Jiraiya had no knowledge about Mangekyo Sharingan or Amaterasu at the time, and Itachi could have had Kisame distract Jiraiya.
We have no idea where Itachi was going to slash Kurenai. It could have been a nonkilling slash, or Itachi could have done what Haku did and put her in a deathlike trance. If Itachi wanted to kill Kurenai and Asuma, he wouldn't have talked, he'd have gone straight to action, and he wouldn't have pleaded for Kurenai and Asuma to go away or tried to avoid fighting. If Itachi could slash off Orochimaru's hand quickly, then he could have cut off Kurenai's head quickly.Quote:
The English translation had Kisame saying he was shocked Kakashi was still alive, I think.Quote:
Where did he cover his left eye? Both of his eyes were still open, but Itachi was tired. He never gave any indication his left eye hurt, that was only against Sasuke, and when Sasuke broke out of his Tsukuyomi. He never felt any side effect from Tsukuyomi other than being tired, but either he or Kisame could have still killed Kakashi without much problem, as well as the other two. Or, Itachi could have done Mangekyo Sharingan, which no one would have expected.
Right. Imagination/assumption like Itachi covering his eye after using Tsukuyomi against Kakashi? Here's the proof Itachi's eyes were open and not covered. And while I do assume on some stuff, I can at least back it up with the manga.Quote:
Yep. No one who says Itachi's telling the truth is looking at why he said what he did. They just think he said it because he really believed it when it could be for other reasons. Itachi also indicated Jiraiya would be a major challenge, not that he'd lose after Kisame said Itachi could have taken on Jiraiya. You assume way more than I do, many which are ridiculous and almost can't be backed up, like window being Amaterasu'd and not the flesh. Some of your assumptions actually go against manga facts.
At least with Itachi, it can be backed up by what we saw. Jiraiya had no knowledge of Amaterasu or Mangekyo, Itachi could have taken him out if he chose to. Jiraiya also was bad at genjutsu, which he himself said, so Itachi could have done basic genjutsu or even Tsukuyomi, which Jiraiya most likely couldn't break out of. If Kakashi, a Sharingan wielder whose genjutsu skills are good, couldn't do it, Jiraiya wouldn't be able to either. I said Itachi could (not is) be a sensor and backed it up with feats in the manga.
Plus, why deny what Shi said about Raikage's speed in comparison to Minato's, who'd have no reason to lie, but accept Itachi's statement about how he and Kisame would do against Jiraiya, when Itachi was known to be a liar?
Why would Jiraiya use the hair jutsu as a defense against Amaterasu, if he doesn't have knowledge of it?
People can prepare to use defenses even if they do not know of amaterasu. If you are a shinobi in a fight, you kinda have to be aware that attacking exists, right? If someone is standing across from you with the intent to kill, preparation could be useful. hakuthehedgehog said that Jiraiya could prepare his defense in anticipation of Itachi doing "something"
Itachi can do anything, the hair jutsu isn't an appropriate defense against certain jutsu. It's unlikely IMO Jiraiya would just use it in preparation for something if he doesn't know what the nature of that something is.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 05, 2011 at 07:21 PM.
So then what happens then? Itachi keeps launching Amaterasu while Jiraiya keeps regrowing his hair? Yeah thats going to work. I mean its not like Itachi can take control of the flames from the cut off parts of the hair and completely surround Jiraiya while hes playing hair dresser. Or better yet he could just poke that hairball with his sword of Totsuka. Or even close the gap after launching an Amaterasu and get Jiraiya in a gen-jutsu either via Sharingan or hand gen-jutsu. The list goes on and on about how easily Jiraiya's hair defense would be shattered. But like i said this is the only place where such an argument can be debated. The force of troll is just too great.
Gaara defended against it quite well using a sand defense. You can take a look at the chapter and come up with your own conclusion, though my suggestion would be to read and view more carefully. Enjoy.
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So hair beats Amaterasu and...um...borrowing a pair of sunglasses from the Aburame clan is going to beat Tsukuyomi? Don't be shy, i'm sure you can make that one work as well. You are on a roll. If only the rest of the shinobi world knew that the MS gets countered by fashion.
When Amaterasu hit that samurai, it did not burn through his armor instantly and fry him alive, it burned for a while, long enough for him to burn for a while and then escape unharmed, thanks to Kankurou and Temari. Jiraiya's hair jutsu are not just hair you find on the floor after getting a haircut, they are jutsu and have qualities of their own.
Originally Posted by Hari Jizou---------- Post added at 09:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 PM ----------Originally Posted by Ranjishigami no Jutsu
BTW, shades won't work for Tsukuyomi, Sasuke v. Bee proved that, but you are not that familiar with the manga.
Last edited by jdw; July 05, 2011 at 08:52 PM.
Even after a minute or so, the samurai wasn't burned, just his armor, and he showed no signs of being hurt. However, Itachi managed to burn a big hole in a toad's stomach, who breathes fire and has a fire resistant stomach, according to JIriaya, in less than a minute. It can be assumed that one needs to focus where his Amaterasu is in order for it to actually burn, like what Itachi did to the toad and to Sasuke's body (although that's questionable since we didn't see Itachi until after the Amaterasu went out and Sasuke was using kawarimi).
Anyway, it's not like it matters. Jiraiya has the most fans, he's very likely to win.
Sasuke knew Amaterasu was coming the moment Itachi used it, it's the only reason why he was able to avoid being hit for a short time.
A pushed Sasuke to use his MS thus revealing he had such arsenal, which is when A purged into his V2 Cloak, had Sasuke not been pushed to use Susano prior to this, Raikage would have had likely been hit with Amaterasu.
And Itachi used Amaterasu for a quite longer period of time than Sasuke, he burned through a 360 degree arc of forest.... wether it's his chakra efficiency or chakra pool, Itachi is on par with Sasuke in terms of the amount of times he can use his MS before running low.
This was clearly shown in the manga.
Last edited by jdw; July 05, 2011 at 09:31 PM.
Originally Posted by jdw
You forget that the flames were moved back by wind so that chakra strings could be attached to the armor inorder to remove it. Jiraiya doesn't get to move his hair away so that he can cut the burning hair off and has not shown an ability to grow it faster than it Amaterasu burns. Metal armor>hair when it comes to enduring fire.
As for "qualities" of Jiraiya's hair, none of those qualities are "fire proof" or "grows faster than Amaterasu can burn". Likewise, Gaara already had sand around him inorder to block Amaterasu so moving it an inch or two isn't half as impressive as you'd like it to be. Jiraiya's gotta grow his hair first, and the fact that his hair hasn't shown an ability to be stretch any significant length in the blink of an eye bodes well for the "all Jiraiya's hair is gonna disappear before he can stretch it far enough" strategy.
That is the method of removal, but whatever. The point is that the flame did not reach the man, because if it had the wind would not have mattered. The armor didn't grow at all and he was fine. The armor wasn't "fire proof," as Amaterasu burns anything, even fire. Even if Gaara's method was not impressive to you, he is alive despite Amaterasu, which is the point, no? Not the distance his sand moved. But it doesn't matter if you were impressed really, Sasuke was. That is enough for me. If you think the fire will burn faster than Jiraiya's hair can grow, I respect your opinion but politely do not share it.