What do you think Kishimoto wants Sasuke to become in the end?

[jdw]

Sasuke will be naruto's danzo, but a danzo who has made friends with hiruzen. I see him as the anbu leader.

I can see that as a reasonable possibility. The hard part is making it sound reasonable getting there.

[Franckie]

Sasuke will continue playing the "avenger" role he's had ever since Day 1. It's just that he'll become the key for "peace" just so Kishi can further glorify Sasuke's plot and give the illusion that characters such as Naruto still have a role to play in this series. And lol @ Sasuke dying. Sasuke has a way out of everything. Or have people forgotten things like how the author conveniently overlooks Sasuke's negative actions such as ramming a Chidori through Naruto's chest?

[insid3rkill3r]

While both Hiruzen and Danzo as well as Sasuke and Naruto showed a rivalry to our eyes, they had pretty much nothing in common.

Hiruzen and Danzo had differences between their ideals, they both believed in different things and wether it was because of that or not, they never really showed to be somewhat of a connection until Danzo's flashbacks, it almost seemed as they were enemies from the way Danzo spoke of Hiruzen's way of doing this, it seemed like 'dislike' more than anything else.

Sasuke and Naruto didnt have that, they were like brothers, they were pretty much each's other real and first connection, they were best friends as well as each other's most imporant bond.

They didnt have differences in their beliefs, the difference is that one was a genius and the other one was a clown when he was young, which made Naruto envious and thus turned this bond into a rivalry, yet they didnt hate each other.

Revenge is the only thing that made them drift apart, if Sasuke was to get revenge on Madara and to live after, the sole obstacle that got between Sasuke and Naruto would be gone and nothing would prevent them from going back to the way it used to be.

Rivalry would most-likely remain, but friendship would win over everthing else, specially giving everything that has happened.

We've seen two different Sasuke, one that was pure at heart and once who's heart was covered with revenge/hate, if revenge is accomplished, Sasuke will most-likely be the one he was at heart once again.


But even with that said, i believe Sasuke will die, but he will go back to his 'old' self right before dying, thus make peace with himself as well as be friends more than he ever was with Naruto, cause there would be nothing standing between them this time.

[sho87]

Sasuke won't die, Kishi made that clear based on Naruto's beliefs and main objective and his ultimate test. Besides, if Sasuke dies, Naruto dies. It's that simple. Naruto stakes his life to Sasuke that if he can't save him, he can't save himself and he'll die with Sasuke ending the conflict between love and hate.

Thus Naruto will never become the Hokage, or the child of prophecy.

[Smokes]

No way Sasuke dies....or if he does, stays dead.

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Madara, since Kishi doesn't seem to be interested in giving Naruto the ability to oppose him, and then Tsunade uses Chiyo's technique to bring him back AND her rebirth technique on him to turn him into a baby.

Then Sakura will raise him until he's around nine and marry him. Possibly 3 or 4 years of that and he'll want revenge on Konoha all over again.

And the cycle of hate continues......

Honestly, I'd almost seriously bet that in the end he really gets turned into a baby. That's the kind of thinking that Kishi has driven me to.

[jdw]

Kishi would probably take it so far as humiliate Naruto by having him cleaning up Sasuke's baby-poo, trying to convince Sakura he can be a good man.

[insid3rkill3r]

Sasuke dying doesnt mean Naruto failed.

Itachi believed Naruto would be able to save both Konoha and Sasuke, but what does that 'saving' really imply?

To me Sasuke being saved could very well mean to be put on the right track.

If Naruto with maybe the help of Itachi's gift could speak the truth about Madara using Kyuubi, Sasuke would realise revenge on Konoha isnt what he should be aiming for, but revenge on Madara.

To me it seems that Sasuke needs to be saved from the shinobi world's hate more than anything else, and the only way for this to happen to do defeat Madara so that Sasuke can at last furfill revenge once and for all, Sasuke dying wouldnt matter, cause he would have been saved from that pain at last, and he would finally be able to rest in peace.


And if Naruto was to die, it doesnt mean the prophecy wouldnt be achieved.

The whole shinobi world would have witnessed Naruto trying to save Sasuke from the grip of hate and in the end would have succeded by having both of them fight and defeat Madara, their death would have a huge impact and could snap some great sense in them.

Naruto could very well be made Hokage right before he dies, or even after he does, but either way i don't see Naruto dying. He said he wanted to should Sasuke's ahte and die with him, but that him talking as if they will die fighting dying each other which i highly doubt will happen, Sasuke needs to furfill his life goal, or Itachi's sacrifice will have been wasted as well as Sasuke's whole drama.

[White Silver King]

Kishi will make all of Sasuke's wrong doings OK because once everything is over Naruto, the newfound savior of the world, will give a heart-wrenching speech about Sasuke's past and his "reasons" for doing what he did and that he has changed. Sakura will cry (and Naruto too of course) and everyone in the ninja world will forgive him and him and Naruto will live happily ever after as the BFFLs they were always written to be.

[jorped]

No way Sasuke dies....or if he does, stays dead.

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Madara, since Kishi doesn't seem to be interested in giving Naruto the ability to oppose him, and then Tsunade uses Chiyo's technique to bring him back AND her rebirth technique on him to turn him into a baby.

you really think that ? after this training Naruto is probably at least equal to Sasuke, the battle between them is going to be awesome!

[Smokes]

you really think that ? after this training Naruto is probably at least equal to Sasuke, the battle between them is going to be awesome!

I don't know Jorped. On top of the amaterasu and sussanoo and genjutsu and maybe the spiritual weapons and whatever new thing he has, the sharingan also affords him Izanagi.

I'm guessing that he probably figured it out by now. He knows about it and watched Danzou do it at least 4 times after he figured it out. When Naruto said they would both die, one death with a power like Izanagi would just be an inconvenience.

So Naruto with possibly no clones and a few extra arms and yet another rasengan is gonna have a hard time.

I hope it's awesome, I think they were about to be well paired but after Naruto finishes his new rasengan, Sasuke will have some new stuff too. So I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that Kishi makes it work without having to add conditions to give Naruto a fighting chance......I'm worried.....

Don't mind my cynicism. I lost the last bit of my faith when finally taking the foxes power culminated into yet another rasengan. Kishi could have done anything, and yet he chose to do the same thing he's been doing for 7 years. After waiting all that time for it, I feel robbed.

[jorped]

I am not seeing Sasuke using Izanagi cuz to use it he also needs the have the blood of the senju running from his veins , and that is something that he don't has.

I have been following Naruto manga weekly since around chapter 400 , which is more and less since two and half years , and maybe i don't feel the same way about the rasengan than people that have been following it for more time.

I wouldn't mind if Kishi made Naruto learn something new but i don't really mind if he is learning an other rasengan. he needs something, that has a destructive power even greater than the futon rasen shuriken , i think that even Susano wont be able to guard against this new jutsu of Naruto.
And also what i am more crazy to see is not even close this new jutsu , but yes , the power that Naruto has in rikoudo mode , that based on what i saw against Kisame , it sounds it is going to be something great and at the same time i dont want Naruto to forget of Sage Mode , and because of that maybe i am expecting a fusion of both

[sho87]

Sasuke dying doesnt mean Naruto failed.

Yes it does, Sasuke is Naruto's responsibilty and his birden alone, he said that both were going to die if they fight with all they had. Sasuke won't pull his punches nor will Naruto, and because of that Naruto has to save Sasuke and stick to his beliefs that Sasuke can be redeemed without either one dying.

Itachi believed Naruto would be able to save both Konoha and Sasuke, but what does that 'saving' really imply?

Itachi wanted Sasuke to be the Uchiha clans last hope, Naruto wants to save Sasuke and Konoha with no compromises. He means he will take his cake and eat it because Naruto believes Sasuke and Konoha can be brought back and obtained for peace.

To me Sasuke being saved could very well mean to be put on the right track.

It's more than that. IMO Kishi implied that Sasuke is a part of the new generation of peace, he can't die by not seeing what Naruto has done or will do, he's supposed to live and be happy like Naruto is once all is said in done.

If Naruto with maybe the help of Itachi's gift could speak the truth about Madara using Kyuubi, Sasuke would realise revenge on Konoha isnt what he should be aiming for, but revenge on Madara.

Naruto could convince that Revenge isn't all thats left, but the will to protect and prevent any chains of hatred anymore from suffering.

To me it seems that Sasuke needs to be saved from the shinobi world's hate more than anything else, and the only way for this to happen to do defeat Madara so that Sasuke can at last furfill revenge once and for all, Sasuke dying wouldnt matter, cause he would have been saved from that pain at last, and he would finally be able to rest in peace.

But Sasuke doesn't want to die, he wants to make things right for Itachi and his clan, he won't rest until his clan is avenged. But it's up to Naruto to stop him and change his path. According to Kishimoto, the world is wrong for taking his family away from him, so there is no true good side and evil side in this story.

And if Naruto was to die, it doesnt mean the prophecy wouldnt be achieved.

Naruto has to be alive for all of this to come to pass. He's the freakin main character.

The whole shinobi world would have witnessed Naruto trying to save Sasuke from the grip of hate and in the end would have succeded by having both of them fight and defeat Madara, their death would have a huge impact and could snap some great sense in them.

Unlikely, Naruto and Sasuke are the main characters, the world is secondary to their importance. Maybe teamming up to take down thew Jyuubi and saving everyone will have them heroes in front of everyone. If Sasuke dies, everyone will be glad, because the source of their pain will die in front of them along with Madara and everyone will see Naruto as the greatest. I doubt Kishimoto wants Sasuke to go out in front of the people that still love him like Sakura or Karin or somebody and most of all Naruto who promised himself that saving Sasuke and sholdering his hatred and pain was the only thing that matters to him now.

Naruto could very well be made Hokage right before he dies, or even after he does, but either way i don't see Naruto dying. He said he wanted to should Sasuke's ahte and die with him, but that him talking as if they will die fighting dying each other which i highly doubt will happen, Sasuke needs to furfill his life goal, or Itachi's sacrifice will have been wasted as well as Sasuke's whole drama.

Naruto made a promise to himself that he would never become Hokage or abandon his dreams if he can't save Sasuke and protect him from Madara and the chain of hatred. He being the main character will succeed. It's that simple. Sasuke will have to learn to live with relying on Naruto because it's not his manga.

[luffyg2]

Maybe he sacrifices himself to kill Madara, since Kishi doesn't seem to be interested in giving Naruto the ability to oppose him,

I dont see how naruto does not have the ability to stop either madara or sasuke... he seems pretty strong to me and he<s still learning... having the etnernel mangekyou does not mean that you automatically win ... since madara lost to hashirama...

[THM Nindo]

Sasuke will be naruto's danzo, but a danzo who has made friends with hiruzen. I see him as the anbu leader.

Hmm... no, I doubt it....

Naruto is going to change the Ninja way or the entire world, remember?
People like Danzou won't be needed anymore.

[ashher]

Not exactly the way danzo was. I told 'a danzo who is friends with hiruzen'...like a failsafe you know. If naruto fails to do something because he is too soft, sasuke will do it. But of course naruto will not fail, that's the loophole you see :wink. About the point that jdw raised, about how sasuke's change could be credible depicted, i think it may not be that difficult. Sasuke might tag team with naruto to save the world from jubi, thereby redeeming himself to the mass.