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If Urahara's second blast = Yammi's cero in terms of strength then why the heck did he have the "wide eye expression" when Ulq deflected it so easily I mean it shouldn't have been surprising if Ulq had more reiatsu and acted like a bossman from the beginning?
man that scene sucks
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EDIT: anyway, Urahara still has to demonstrate the potency of cutting through Bankais with little-to-no effort, until then the opinion that Aizen is stronger stands.
Last edited by AlB; March 30, 2011 at 01:33 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Aizen without hougyoku would get killed by Urahara in an instant. With KS he may survive, in base.. its an absolute beating by base Urahara.
If by activating shikai means increase in damage (as mentioned by AIB) . Then base Urahara with sealed zanpaktou shooting thru shinigami Aizen's body is quite a feat. By activating his shikai mode, using (to a calibre/prowess similar to Juzustunagi), he would easily finish off fodders like yammy n ulqi.
The hell is Juzustunagi ?
And if that was the case emanresu I don't see why Urahara did not show up in FKT from the beginning.
Last edited by Buzz Killington; March 30, 2011 at 01:37 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
oh that, can never get those damn names right
and yeah, you have a point, those wide-eye expressions are waay overused
We haven't seen either guy with released bankai's, but from what we've seen I say Urahara.
While we do not know how much stronger he is compared to Aizen, it's obvious that if he can withstand brute force attacks from god-Aizen without being seriously injured that he must be at least equal to Aizen's base state.
Next let's take KS. If Urahara really is stronger than Aizen, then he can simply do what Kenpachi did when he fought that blind dude and what Yammato did with Aizen. If you can't completely trust your senses then just wait til the weaker dude hits you and grab him. Doesn't make sense? I don't think so either but it's already proven to work in the manga both of those times. The way everyone battles in Bleach Urahara will have more than enough time to figure out what KS is without dying anyway, and who knows the endless possiblities there are to get around it.
Finally let's take Ichigo's power. He went from shit to captain level in less than a year. Urahara invented those training techniques himself and has a 100 year head start on Ichigo. Obviously I don't think he's 100 times as powerful as Ichigo, but just imagine what Ichigo would be like in 100 years. Ichigo barely survived his training and since Urahara did the same in about the same amount of time so he must have some of the same sort of logrithmic power growth.
Does Aizen have tricks and secret training like this? I don't know, but probably not. Why the hell would he? He said he had gotten as powerful as he could get a long time ago yet was still afraid of Yammato's brute strength while not in god mode and took a longer time to defeat Urahara and Isshin in god mode than it took him to defeat all the other captains in regular mode.
I can understand someone saying Urahara or that they simpy don't know from the evidence given but otherwise you have to be under KS yourself to vote for Aizen.
He was obviously joking? Sure. If you like to think of it as such. IMO, he wasn't.
The two statements are completely different: not possessing bankai = lie. Being a candy store owner = truth. Urahara making jokes previously doesn't mean he'll joke every time afterwards.
As for the rest of your post, Aizen was simply toying around with everyone and being extremely careless for the whole duration of the FKK town fight. Therefore, any feats/minor feats accomplished by his opponents are simply circumstantial. The instant Aizen finally got serious, Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin were instantly KO-ed. Not to mention, it was 3-on-1. He's faster, stronger, and simply more powerful than the likes of Urahara: example: cutting Komamura's bankai with a sealed sword
As for not being able to dodge that 91 level kido, he was already restrained by a couple of other kido. Purely circumstantial .
Urahara has shown no comparable feats. Also, I hold Aizen was having little to no credibility when "estimating" one's power. Hence, the statement "Urahara was my equal" as you say, is IMO, null and void (holds little credibility).
Why I doubt Aizen's credibility?
1) He's not omniscient. Doesn't know anything and everything about anyone and everyone.
2) Has not even witnessed 80-90% of Urahara's power (bankai)
3) Has been proven wrong on multiple occasions before when he attempted to "estimate" one's power, including, but not limited to his own subordinates
4) Urahara declares that Aizen is giving him too much credit
5) Per 1,2,3,4: Aizen stating that Urahara was/is his equal = nothing but nonsense. Thus, why the word "comparable" holds much more sense to me and the whole notion that Aizen was comparing different realms of power, i.e. shinigami vs. beyond shinigami since Aizen had surpassed it for the first time when he spoke of the above line.
Aizen wins very easily.
Last edited by LucyBenard; March 30, 2011 at 11:17 AM.
I don't know who told you 80-90% of a Shinigami's power comes from their bankai. If a bankai was all it took to make a shinigami strong, then why do Renji and Ikkaku pale in comparison to other bankai users? Oh yeah, it's 'cause their stats are a lot lower. Aizen doesn't need to witness Kisuke's bankai to get a good idea of how powerful he is. In fact, when Aizen said they were equals I doubt he was referring to zanpakutou abilities either, it's more likely he was talking about base skills in the 4 shinigami areas. In other words, if they were to both clash together with sealed katanas, they would have been evenly matched. Everyone knows damn well that including zanpakutous Aizen has the clear advantage over everyone because of how stupidly broken KS is.
As for your interpretation, are you implying that Aizen somehow magically knows the full extent of Urahara's base skills and is so sure about their extent, that they are exactly equal to his?
Aizen only witnessed Urahara fighting against Yammy, in which Urahara was toying around. Nothing can be inferred about the true extent of his powers from such a farce of a fight.
Aizen isn't omniscient, and from what we've witnessed in the manga, he has a poor record when it comes to estimating people's powers.
That is why I'll take Aizen's statement with a healthy dose of salt.
But then again, that "equal to" is actually "comparable" in cnet128's translation. IMO, that's more valid as Aizen was referring to the massive power difference between shinigami vs. shinigami that have surpassed their limits.
No action except the Yammy fight, in which he was toying around.
Thus, Aizen witnessing his powers is nothing but speculation to the highest level.
As for Aizen knowing Urahara's location after he had gotten expelled, not sure about that. I thought Aizen only to came to know of the Hōgyoku when it made contact with Rukia, a 100 years later.
Last edited by LucyBenard; March 30, 2011 at 02:39 PM.