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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
As for Ichigo's cero not being able to do "squat", need I remind you that it is as powerful as R2 Ulquiorra's cero which a tiny version of punched a hole into Ichigo's chest by annihilating it?
You do realize that I am just fishing answers out of you now, the manga already states that Ulquiorra's body was destroyed. Do you really want me to prove it
Last edited by LucyBenard; March 30, 2011 at 08:09 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Okay Let's put the futile debate of whether Ichigo's cero did or did not destroy R2 Ulquiorra's body (hiero enforced):
Ulquiorra: ...My arm, leg, and body are regenerating, but it is merely superficial. // The internal organs that he destroyed will not return so easily. // If that last attack did not defeat him... // ...then it is I who have perished here.
Myth debunked. Ichigo cero 100x more powerful than Shinji's (my estimate).
Ulquiorra was frankly dead after the sword slash. The cero just ripped the half that was cut off out and potentially only made it faster by screwing him over for the organs that hadn't already been damaged by the slash, but even that is hard to call without knowing how exactly the regen works.
Defense boost? I don't know about that, I don't see how their hierro would increase by simply having more spiritual particles around them. Now energy attacks, that's an obvious given. Any miniscule defense boost probably wouldn't offset the boost an energy projectile like Ishida's arrows or ceros received. The fact that Grimmjow was a pure hollow is irrelevant. Uryuu is a human but he got a large boost by being in HM. More importantly though, there's the fact that Grimmjow never even took the full-force of Shinji's cero. He pretty much just got sent flying from the force of his own cero and Shinji's colliding. That's more impressive than simply getting his hand burned from the explosion his and Ulquiorra's cero caused.Quote:
Look, I might need to show you something special about H2 Ichigo's cero.
It's retardedly strong. Notice something about it? It actually goes through Las Noches' dome.
And creating a ridiculously strong shockwave.
I'm just saying that Shinji's cero wasn't that much more impressive than Base Ulquiorra's. The HM boost wouldn't be that high anyways, given Grimmjow's rather consistent performances against Bankai Ichigo.
I might need to tell you something important. Collateral damage? Means jack all. Everything in Bleach is easily destructible once you hit captain levels save other captain levels or stronger captain levels.
Again, I point you to Hitsugaya causing a room the size of a building to explode by simply drawing his sealed sword. He's not remotely a powerhouse in terms of outright reiatsu, even pissed. Granted there's a lot of energy involved in that cero, going all the way down to Las Noches is certainly cool (Granted though that tells us literally nothing without knowing how far Cero's actually go before dispersing), but power wise, bar matching the Black Cero, it doesn't really impress in that fight.
Random, you need to somehow prove that collateral damage equals jack, as you say.
Because right now you're operating under an anecdotal fallacy.
ichigo easily overcame aizens paralysis why wouldnt he be able to beat out shinji plus shinji wasnt shown to have a bankai and
ichigo mastered his mask whereas shinji could only wear it for what 11 secons?