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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    Dude, that's one of the questions I've had for a while now. At first, Madara wanted to capture Naruto and it seemed silly because he could have done it sooooo, sooooo many times. But then he said that he wanted Naruto to fight Sasuke, so I figured maybe that was the case before and he just never mentioned it.....but then suddenly, he was ready to go get Naruto himself......

    I think the problem is, personally, that the cat is just too hax. He can do what he wants and in order for there to be a story, sometimes he doesn't do what he can.

    Remember that time Kabuto showed up at his lair.....He went running up the embankment to attack Kabuto.... Think about that for a second.......He can teleport around so fast that he gave Minato fits, Kabuto comes bustin' into his lair and he chooses to run at him? And we found out that his genjutsu works. So how he didn't just immediately enslave Kabuto when he started talking trash is also a mystery.

    I'm accepting that the war is some sort of distraction, but as far as getting the two jin, it's like he doesn't really care.....except when he does....and then he doesn't.

    I hope someone stops by with a good explanation, 'cause I can't think of one.
    Yeah man you are 100% right, either Madara is just fooling around, either there will be some person on this forum who will come out with the good explanation

    One of the ways I think that was his strategy: he kinda weakened alliance forces by rogue ninjas that he tooked into Akatsuki, like Pain killed Jiraya, Oro atacked Konoha and so on... Like if he would have captured Naruto and Bee in the begining that would have united Kumo and Konoha against Akatsuki and so on, so that just proves that he was cautios, but now he doesn't really care now he needs to capture Kuubi and Hachibi by any means.

    There is so much potential for growth left for Tobi: like those Sharingan eyes, his flash that he can easily restore and 7 Bijuus that he can use. Now as we can see he is on the way of powering up: getting the Rinnegan and Fan and so on...

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by DaDarkDude View Post
    Besides, it's sealed inside of Naruto, and he'd have to actually LOOK after Naruto (watch over him make sure he's eating properly, let him have his bathroom breaks etc) if he captures him. Why not just let Naruto grow up and take care of himself till the time comes to take him?
    Am I missing something?...:S

    Why would Madara have to look after Naruto, nobody looked after Gaara for one, and still extracted the Beast. Yes he was older at that time, but does age has anything with the extraction? The user dies anyway when the process is complete...

    I actually thought about this as well. And really, to me it doesn't make any sense. I agree with Smokes, he got it spot on. With powers of Madara's, there's literally nothing could be done to safe some little kid from getting abtudcted. Nobody would know who did it too, I mean read the chapters where Madara teleports himself/anyone, it's always stated that "the chakra has completely vanished/no traces". Itachi could've have an idea that it was Madara's job if it was to happen, but seriously, what would he do to him? How would he find him too? He could've teleported to some sewer pipe in a random country for all he cares.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    I always thought that the 9 eye statue thingy only took the bijus by sequence [like Gaaraa - > 2 tails -> 3 tails and so on ].

    Secondly , it seems that only 1 biju may be extracted at one time [that's with the whole Akatsuki helping] .

    Now say Madara came to every village and took their bijus . The village would unite and attack him which alone he wouldn't be able to handle no matter how hax he is .

    And if he went and tried to get them then extract , the other villages would become cautious and start training and/or protecting them village the support of whole villages . [Remember that Naruto might have been too difficult to find for Madara w/o help] . Then he would just be looking at Mr. Turtle landing on his doorway with all the stronger bijus completely trained and in sync with one another ready to give him doomsday .

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    I will give you the reasons, there are 2 in fact:

    -first one because he made a promice to Itachi never to attack Konoha direcly. It was later revealed that Itachi whent back to Konoha to "capture" Naruto just so people would know (expecialy Danzo) that he is allive and Sasuke is not to be harmed. Itachi "failed" here but only because he wanted to for obvious reasons.

    -second one is because the Kyuubi needs to be sealed last and no need to have the entire Konoha on his head if he can't seal Naruto anyway (up to the moment he has the rest).

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    Am I missing something?...:S

    Why would Madara have to look after Naruto, nobody looked after Gaara for one, and still extracted the Beast. Yes he was older at that time, but does age has anything with the extraction? The user dies anyway when the process is complete...

    I actually thought about this as well. And really, to me it doesn't make any sense. I agree with Smokes, he got it spot on. With powers of Madara's, there's literally nothing could be done to safe some little kid from getting abtudcted. Nobody would know who did it too, I mean read the chapters where Madara teleports himself/anyone, it's always stated that "the chakra has completely vanished/no traces". Itachi could've have an idea that it was Madara's job if it was to happen, but seriously, what would he do to him? How would he find him too? He could've teleported to some sewer pipe in a random country for all he cares.
    The user will die in the process, but the Gedo Mazo Statue will collapse if they suck in the Kyuubi before having 1-8. It's as simple as that. I'd reckon they had 0-1 bijuus at the time Naruto was sealed, so it wouldn't make much sense to take a baby that they'd need to look after until they've got the rest of the biju, now would it?



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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokes View Post
    Dude, that's one of the questions I've had for a while now. At first, Madara wanted to capture Naruto and it seemed silly because he could have done it sooooo, sooooo many times. But then he said that he wanted Naruto to fight Sasuke, so I figured maybe that was the case before and he just never mentioned it.....but then suddenly, he was ready to go get Naruto himself......

    I think the problem is, personally, that the cat is just too hax. He can do what he wants and in order for there to be a story, sometimes he doesn't do what he can.

    Remember that time Kabuto showed up at his lair.....He went running up the embankment to attack Kabuto.... Think about that for a second.......He can teleport around so fast that he gave Minato fits, Kabuto comes bustin' into his lair and he chooses to run at him? And we found out that his genjutsu works. So how he didn't just immediately enslave Kabuto when he started talking trash is also a mystery.

    I'm accepting that the war is some sort of distraction, but as far as getting the two jin, it's like he doesn't really care.....except when he does....and then he doesn't.

    I hope someone stops by with a good explanation, 'cause I can't think of one.
    Are you guys missing what you saw from his fight with Konan and Minato? Madara has to get melee-close to naruto and MATERIALIZE in order to suck him into that warp zone. Naruto is one dangerous mother fucker when you get within an arm's reach of him... By the time Madara became Tobi and came out of the shadows, Naruto was already wicked dangerous. Madara doesn't put himself in harm's way if he can avoid it, and up until now he's felt he could avoid it. Expect for him to do a bit of curbstomping very soon... I'd almost expect to see naruto run off, having sensed a disturbance caused by kin-gin squad, and madara swoop in and whoop bee's ass.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by DaDarkDude View Post
    The user will die in the process, but the Gedo Mazo Statue will collapse if they suck in the Kyuubi before having 1-8. It's as simple as that. I'd reckon they had 0-1 bijuus at the time Naruto was sealed, so it wouldn't make much sense to take a baby that they'd need to look after until they've got the rest of the biju, now would it?
    Gara was the 1 tail and that happened when Naruto was all grown up. Back then Madara probably had no idea where the Kyuubi was sealed and he probably was still working on his Biju plan. Nagat back then was not with him (obvious reason). So the only thing Madara could do is kill Naruto and that would not make him get the Kyuubi.

    Quote Originally Posted by g1534 View Post
    Are you guys missing what you saw from his fight with Konan and Minato? Madara has to get melee-close to naruto and MATERIALIZE in order to suck him into that warp zone. Naruto is one dangerous mother fucker when you get within an arm's reach of him... By the time Madara became Tobi and came out of the shadows, Naruto was already wicked dangerous. Madara doesn't put himself in harm's way if he can avoid it, and up until now he's felt he could avoid it. Expect for him to do a bit of curbstomping very soon... I'd almost expect to see naruto run off, having sensed a disturbance caused by kin-gin squad, and madara swoop in and whoop bee's ass.

    If Minato only had time to react with his own ST jutsu to escape then there is no way in hell Naruto would escape ... I am not even going about the fact that Madara can do it even faster (instantly as he stated) and even capture Minato before he can ST away.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Gara was the 1 tail and that happened when Naruto was all grown up. Back then Madara probably had no idea where the Kyuubi was sealed and he probably was still working on his Biju plan. Nagat back then was not with him (obvious reason). So the only thing Madara could do is kill Naruto and that would not make him get the Kyuubi.
    Madara knew EXACTLY where the kyuubi was sealed. He was present during Naruto's birth. He held him in his own hands... He saw it happen... and I'm betting even zetsu saw Minato whoop his ass.

    Fact is, madara had a different plan back then... and that was just to recapture and enslave the kyuubi. After that ass whooping from Minato, he got sour and made an even BIGGER plan... Or maybe it was his backup plan.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by g1534 View Post
    Are you guys missing what you saw from his fight with Konan and Minato? Madara has to get melee-close to naruto and MATERIALIZE in order to suck him into that warp zone. Naruto is one dangerous mother fucker when you get within an arm's reach of him... By the time Madara became Tobi and came out of the shadows, Naruto was already wicked dangerous.
    I'm pretty sure that suckering in a 1 year old isn't that hard...Madara became Tobi after his fight with Shodaime...

    Besides, Naruto doesn't have a clue about Tobi's ability and how to counter it. Just because Minato and Konan were able to do it, doesn't mean that everyone else can do it automatically.

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    Fact is, madara had a different plan back then... and that was just to recapture and enslave the kyuubi. After that ass whooping from Minato, he got sour and made an even BIGGER plan... Or maybe it was his backup plan.
    Isn't that so...I haven't heard him saying that before.

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan
    Back then Madara probably had no idea where the Kyuubi was sealed
    He was the one telling Minato to get away from his son when the sealing was being made...As for finding him, well he already found Naruto before by teleporting right to him while he was taking a nap...
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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post

    If Minato only had time to react with his own ST jutsu to escape then there is no way in hell Naruto would escape ... I am not even going about the fact that Madara can do it even faster (instantly as he stated) and even capture Minato before he can ST away.
    That sure turned out to be all talk. Naruto has one thing minato didn't... Massive, corrosive chakras. If Naruto would "hulk out" on him back then, there's a good chance he'd be able to rock him without the hiraishin technique.

    Also, you guys think its easy to capture a jin and keep him alive for YEARS while you capture and seal the others? That's a logistical nightmare. You have to split your efforts between holding naruto and not killing him... and capturing and sealing the other jin's. This was a logistically superior move... letting the konoha shinobi keep him until it was logistically reasonable to capture him.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by g1534 View Post
    Madara knew EXACTLY where the kyuubi was sealed. He was present during Naruto's birth. He held him in his own hands... He saw it happen... and I'm betting even zetsu saw Minato whoop his ass.

    Fact is, madara had a different plan back then... and that was just to recapture and enslave the kyuubi. After that ass whooping from Minato, he got sour and made an even BIGGER plan... Or maybe it was his backup plan.
    I got no idea where you people are getting this things from. First off we don't know if Zetsu was there back then or if even Zetsu was with Madara.
    Second Madara was not around when Minato sealed the Kyuubi inside Naruto, Madara run away remember?

    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    I'm pretty sure that suckering in a 1 year old isn't that hard...Madara became Tobi after his fight with Shodaime...

    Besides, Naruto doesn't have a clue about Tobi's ability and how to counter it. Just because Minato and Konan were able to do it, doesn't mean that everyone else can do it automatically.



    Isn't that so...I haven't heard him saying that before.



    He was the one telling Minato to get away from his son when the sealing was being made...As for finding him, well he already found Naruto before by teleporting right to him while he was taking a nap...
    Isn't that so...I myself haven't heard him saying such a thing before.
    Again where are you people getting this?
    Minato was not going to seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto back then, that was just kushina giving birth ffs. If Madara never showed up the Kyuubi would have been left inside Kushina. If they would actualy remove the Kyuubi from Kushina by Minato he would kill his own wife... I realy sugest you people go back and read that part again, carefuly.

    Quote Originally Posted by g1534 View Post
    That sure turned out to be all talk. Naruto has one thing minato didn't... Massive, corrosive chakras. If Naruto would "hulk out" on him back then, there's a good chance he'd be able to rock him without the hiraishin technique.

    Also, you guys think its easy to capture a jin and keep him alive for YEARS while you capture and seal the others? That's a logistical nightmare. You have to split your efforts between holding naruto and not killing him... and capturing and sealing the other jin's. This was a logistically superior move... letting the konoha shinobi keep him until it was logistically reasonable to capture him.

    That never turned up to be talk... Minato just never got to be hit again or he would have lost. Also Kyuubi chakra is irrelevant. Madara get's to tag him,seal him and then if his hand get's effected by the Kyuubi chakra he will just dump his hand .. Big deal. Also Naruto would never have the time to do shit before he is sealed.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Again where are you people getting this?
    Minato was not going to seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto back then, that was just kushina giving birth ffs. If Madara never showed up the Kyuubi would have been left inside Kushina. If they would actualy remove the Kyuubi from Kushina by Minato he would kill his own wife... I realy sugest you people go back and read that part again, carefuly.
    I've brought that up not because he was sealing it into his son at that right moment, but because if you think about it who else would've Minato picked to seal the Kyuubi into? Kushina is dead, Minato is dead and Kyuubi is not, so obviously Madara should've known that it was done to Naruto.

    I suggest you go and read the Danzou vs Sasuke Arc ending. What did Madara say when he saw Naruto? "Kyuubi..". He also has ordered Pain to capture him way before that.
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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    I've brought that up not because he was sealing it into his son at that right moment, but because if you think about it who else would've Minato picked to seal the Kyuubi into? Kushina is dead, Minato is dead and Kyuubi is not, so obviously Madara should've known that it was done to Naruto.

    I suggest you go and read the Danzou vs Sasuke Arc ending. What did Madara say when he saw Naruto? "Kyuubi..". He also has ordered Pain to capture him way before that.
    There are multyple alternativers like getting kiled by Kyuubi and Kushina sealing it herlf or using the death god seal because Kushina can't seal it all up again. I can think of lots of variations here.

    Also i never stated he never found out, the question was about baby Naruto and not Naruto starting from when he was a baby to his curent self. Hell remember Itachi going for Naruto back in part 1? Its imposible for Madara not to find out eventualy who he is.

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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    It is a good question indeed.

    The only reasonable answer I have is that, each time Madara had the opportunity to capture him, Naruto was always heavily guarded.

    Itachi and Kisame: Naruto had the entire Jounin squad (well, not the entire but a good squad, Kakashi, Guy, Asuma, (wooow, I just forgot the other girl name o.O), and if everything went wrong I'm sure as well Jiraiya would've come earlier.

    Itachi and Kisame part 2: Again, he had Jiraiya, one of the 3 Sannin, with no handicap. Itachi and Kisame had already fought a battle against the other Jounin so they spent a little of their chakra. Plus Guy was coming so, IMO, they would've not be able to capture Naruto at this moment.

    Naruto vs Sasuke: At that moment, in the Valley of the End, he could've make an appearance. But that wasn't a part of his plan. Tobi wasn't even part of Akatsuki a that moment I think, and so for him to present himself in front of those two wasn't is priority, at that moment. Plus, with Kakashi and Orochimaru near the place, I'm sure as hell they would've sent a new chakra appearing, and so they would've come to defend their kids.

    Naruto's training; Well, he was guarded by Jiraiya. Of course Akatsuki could've make a triple attack and make a 3v1 against him, but they needed all their members in order to capture the differents bijuus. In a 3v1, Jiraiya could've defeat (not easily) at least 2 of them. With the way he fought against Pain, I'm sure that we can all agree that our legendary Sannin could've hold his ground against all 3, and kill 2 of them. (personnal opnion, readers discrestion is advice)

    Naruto back to Konoha: well...again guarded by the population of Konoha themselves, + Jiraiya again. And plus he became stronger so it would'nt be easy for Tobi to make an appearance. And again, I don't think it was part of his plan to reveal his true identity that soon. They didn't had 1 of the Bijuu yet.

    Naruto vs Sai and Sasuke: With the presence of Orochimaru and the assumptions made by Toby recently that Orochimaru new about him, it was clearly the worst moment to reveal himself. Plus, with a Mokuton User, Kakashi, Kabuto and Orochimaru, he would'nt be able to leave the place alive xD

    Naruto vs Kakuzu: Naruto became much stronger thanks to his late training. Plus again, I think (well, seeing how Tobi was controlling Pain in the shadow) that it was him who sent the two members to hunt down the nine-tail Jinchuuriki. And so, he couldn't just bump in the fight. Plus, even if everyone was exhausted, all the people who was around the fight was some heavy-hitters. There is no way he could've fight against everyone. Some people might say: "well he did it when everyone was looking for Sasuke". Yeah, but he wanted to slow them down, not capture someone. Capturing someone implies a lot more thing. He would've had to fight with all his might, and again all these people, it would only be impossible.

    Naruto vs Pain: ok, I'll keep it simple, every reasonable ninja on this universe (except Hinata) would'nt want to get involve in a battle against 2 extremely powerful ninjas. I mean....come on, unless you wanna get drag in the middle of a Shinra Tensei, or cut in 1 million pieces because you ran straight in a Fuuton Rasen Shuriken

    Naruto and the 5 Kage Saga: well, he did present himself, but he was the one who implied that he didn't come to capture him. And again, I strongly believe that he would'nt be able to take him at that moment because he was simply to weak. Look how he fought and Shu and Torune. He did lost his arm against the 2 best guardians of Danzou. Imagine against Kakashi (he's not an actual general for nothing), a great Mokuton User, and someone who mastered the Sage mode ? The question can easily be answered by himself.

    Naruto in the Island with Bee: well he did sent Kabut, but even if Kabut would've been able to defeat all the guards, how would he be able to fight against 2 jinchuurkis who mastered the power of their beasts ? Impossible, simply impossible. He might need a ******* amount of Edo tensei to succeed in such a mission.

    With all this said, I think that I have proved (well...I hope xD) that Naruto was always heavily guard when Tobi had the chances. Yes, the priority of Tobi is to capture all the bijuus, but in order to succeed, he needs to stay alive to :P.
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    Re: Why Naruto wasn't captured before???

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    I will give you the reasons, there are 2 in fact:

    -first one because he made a promice to Itachi never to attack Konoha direcly. It was later revealed that Itachi whent back to Konoha to "capture" Naruto just so people would know (expecialy Danzo) that he is allive and Sasuke is not to be harmed. Itachi "failed" here but only because he wanted to for obvious reasons.

    -second one is because the Kyuubi needs to be sealed last and no need to have the entire Konoha on his head if he can't seal Naruto anyway (up to the moment he has the rest).
    First off, I'm glad someone came along with reasons we could actually derive from the story. So thanks for that.

    The first reason i completely agree with....pretty much cause it's fact. But he didn't need to seal the kyuubi away when he snatched up Naruto. In fact, I'd figure that he would just use it like he did the night he showed up. So he had quite some time before Itachi defected from Konoha. He's got a whole other dimension to hide it in when he isn't using it. He's just got too many convenient powers not to have just come back in a year and just warp out with the kid, tear the kyuubi out, genjutsu it, and park it if he wants to.

    He seems so random. How soon after the Kage summit training session was it before he threw on his villain cloak and was actually heading out to go get Naruto but decided to let Kabuto do it? He could have just snatched him when he stopped by the inn to tell his Uchiha tales. But at the inn, he said he wanted Naruto and Sasuke to fight because even though Naruto isn't a Senju, he reminded him of a Senju.

    To him, with his warping and genjutsu, the kyuubi is like low hanging fruit. Feels like Kishi is just making him fickle to justify Naruto making it past 2 years old. The guy is just too powerful. Until he actually explains himself, or we find out that Minato's contract seal is nearly permanent, he just looks ridiculous if he really needs to have all the bijuu. He could have had all of them before this war started.

    Even now, if he changed his mind again, with Zetsu "being the land", he should be able to find Naruto and warp him away and just genjutsu him. He can do what he wants.....he just keeps changing what he wants to do.

    Am I missing something?
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