Team Big Gunz vs Team Magic Muscles

[cracker]

Stark would basically be fighting alone since I am of the notion that since his last power up Chad is definately stronger than a typically VC and would give Mats a run for her money.

Being the Kido captain, speaks volumes for Tessai but at the same time this is a dude that casted a level 99 bakudo on Ichigo, who easily broke out upon regaining his powers...hmm, then again the spell could have just been cast just strong enough to bind a human and the anvil(?) to kill a hollow...

At any rate, its certain if Stark and Mats at any point get bind by Tessai im pretty sure he'd be able to kill them, but if Stark takes the match serious Tessai would have a very hard time doing that...and Stark should also be more than capable of delivering a fatal blow

Stark has an edge though, speed feats usually trump power feats unless the power is overwhelming...

[Raizen]

I would guess that Tessai is reasonably proficient at all Shinigami areas of combat - just like every Captain (barring Kenpachi) would have a reasonable proficiency at Kido. This being said, I doubt he is anywhere near Stark's level in any of the other areas of combat, including speed, which is where Starrk will truly have the advantage, being simultaneously able to use fast attacks in quick succession and having the speed necessary to avoid binding spells from Tessai.

He is the captain of the kido corps, not a regular captain. So there is no indication that he is skilled in other areas of combat

[tousendrinksbleach]

you forgot the most important part
whereas captains have some kido and can buy time with barriers and counter hado and stuff (debatale obviously since i doubt kubo is saving tessai because he is weak)
the espada has got 0 experience with hado

1- they know nothing about hado , thus they have no idea how dangerous is to fight agaisnt someone like tessai
2- have got no counter hado , they will evaporate if he cast that forbiden hado he cast agaisnt aizen (which was cast in an instant)

3- you can keep supporting starkk because you like him or whatever ... you choose to go by feats but space/time wasnt tessai shikai so that you could call it hax , it was a technique that anyone with enough mastery can use , so its a feat and it makes starkk look like a vc in this fight

edit : ofc guys, just ignore that post and go on with your starkk support and fantasies about tessai beeing weak in other shinigami aspects or him having no shikai/bankai and stuff

[Raizen]

^^ Usually i avoid responding to u but i just need to destroy this post of yours:
1. Hollows and shinigamis are mortal enemies. Of course they know shinigami can use kido. It is equivalent to the hollow's cero

2. So now a speed monster like starks is too stupid to dodge raikoho from tessai . Yea nice going

3. I support starks because he has better feats and is a rounded fighter. Tessai has no feats and has only kido at his disposal. That space/time technique was never used in real battle, it was used against a group that has fallen and unconscious. SO again, u fail

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Actually even though I like Tessai and Chad is more interesting for me than Mtsumoto as a character I'd vote for Starrk and his team. Starrk is pretty strong to even take both Chad and Tessai on his own. Even though I'd say that Tessai is rather strong and has a decent chance in this fight, but as for me Starrk wins more than Tessai. At least until we see some more fits from Tessai. We know that he is the best in Kidou, but we don't know the extent of his speed and we also didn't see him using his Zan, so I can't see him winning in this match.

[Takahashi]

I really can't understand the kind of Kido specialist support. They both have very few feats, yet they're apparently unstoppable. Stark is one of the fastest guys in the manga, for him to be hit by long range Kido attacks is questionable at best. The guy was dodging his own Cero that were fired at him by an ability that disrupts them for the purpose of being difficult to time and dodge.

Stark is a beast, and he's a well rounded one at that, a guy with only one area of expertise won't be beating him.

[Random101]

Kido's advantages are multifold: Versatility, easily alterable scale (ie: Compare Byakuya's Hado 33 with Rukias, Byakuya's actually wrecked the landscape), powerful and easily combo'd restraints which grant you time to actually land game changing blows, and relative quickness depending on your skill with them, having only to say a brief phrase to fire off virtually anything, and depending on the kido potentially nothing at all.

Of course to Nail Starrk you need to actually hit with the restraints, which is easier said than done. Not happening. Dude is WAY too fast for that to be viable. Hachi might be able to do it, if he manages to string that massive barrier together, but the charge time on that thing is way too massive to be viable unless Starrk stands there wondering the hell he's doing.

[Takahashi]

Kido's advantages are multifold: Versatility, easily alterable scale (ie: Compare Byakuya's Hado 33 with Rukias, Byakuya's actually wrecked the landscape), powerful and easily combo'd restraints which grant you time to actually land game changing blows, and relative quickness depending on your skill with them, having only to say a brief phrase to fire off virtually anything, and depending on the kido potentially nothing at all.

The example of Rukia and Byakuya is due to the fact that Reiatsu powers Kido though. Granted, we don't know how Tessai measures up in comparison, but simply being a Kido captain doesn't automatically mean the power will be significantly more powerful than any other captain even if he lands a hit. His proficiency is a different story, but that only goes so far.

[Hystzen]

It strange that if Tessai is that great with kido in a battle situation then why was he not included in Urahara's war plan.

You would think somebody with great kido skill would been useful to have as support alongside isshin, urahara and yoruichi.

If this so called Time magic is that great why didn't urahara make him use this in battle against Aizen in FKT.

[Random101]

Better question, why was Urahara not there from the start. Much less the others. Overpower the three espada there, let the vizards in early, rape and concore while Aizen was still stuck in the fire before he could call jack in, and even if he did Mashiro could have just kicked it before it did anything.

Better question still, why the bloody hell did they bring no healers? Kira had to be retconned into being a former 4th division member, which was absurd.

[El Samurai Guapo]

^ For the same retarded plot reasons that none of them went bankai. And seriously people, stop with the "well maybe their bankais aren't suitable for team combat" nonsense. Really? All of them have a bankai that would have been unsuitable to bring out against either Aizen or the espada? I could buy that for Shunsui maybe (based on Juushirou's comment) but not for everyone else as well. Watch, once we've seen them bring it out once, they'll do so every single damn time thereafter, not unlike Toushirou and Sajin.

[Tsukisama]

Just to throw this out there, but Tessai has shown a little more than just kidou. If you check back in the early part of the manga (I'll leave it to someone else to provide the chapter, but I think it is during when Uryuu caused Karakura to be overrun with hollows), Tessai displays powerful palm thrusts capable of smashing hollow masks, which implies that he has some skill in hakuda. Granted those were just regular hollows and much more powerful foes have entered the scene, but that scene does tend to imply some reasonable skill in physical combat.

Beyond this one feat, I cannot really remember Tessai performing any impressive non-kidou feats, but there might be a few others. Tessai does a really good job of being understated and blending into the background, which works really well with his Kidou Corps past.

[El Samurai Guapo]

Just to throw this out there, but Tessai has shown a little more than just kidou. If you check back in the early part of the manga (I'll leave it to someone else to provide the chapter, but I think it is during when Uryuu caused Karakura to be overrun with hollows), Tessai displays powerful palm thrusts capable of smashing hollow masks, which implies that he has some skill in hakuda. Granted those were just regular hollows and much more powerful foes have entered the scene, but that scene does tend to imply some reasonable skill in physical combat.

Beyond this one feat, I cannot really remember Tessai performing any impressive non-kidou feats, but there might be a few others. Tessai does a really good job of being understated and blending into the background, which works really well with his Kidou Corps past.

Seeing as how he used to spend a lot of time with Kisuke and Yoruichi, frankly I'd be surprised if he wasn't skilled in hand to hand. I bet he's reasonably quick too.

[cracker]

^ For the same retarded plot reasons that none of them went bankai. And seriously people, stop with the "well maybe their bankais aren't suitable for team combat" nonsense. Really? All of them have a bankai that would have been unsuitable to bring out against either Aizen or the espada? I could buy that for Shunsui maybe (based on Juushirou's comment) but not for everyone else as well. Watch, once we've seen them bring it out once, they'll do so every single damn time thereafter, not unlike Toushirou and Sajin.

Yeah, it was hard to grasp why not even a single one went bankai other than plot induced reasons. Team combat, please...it was a life and death situation, frigg coordinated attacks...try something else

[LeKuaSimi]

deosnt matter , does it ? aizen had witnesses and stuff ... and urahara's first matter was to save shinji and co. , it wasnt to kill aizen , urahara never showed the attitude of an avenger (this isnt sasuke )

Given Urahara's "The end justifies the means" character (look at what he did to Rukia), do you really think he would let Aizen off, knowing that SS may fall to him?