Kyōraku Shunsui vs Hirako Shinji

[ShootToKill]

Shinji's mask? We have already seen what Shinji is capable of when donning his mask:

-Push around an injured beaten one-armed unreleased Grimmjow, the #6 Espada.

Shunsui sealed? On par with the FIRST unreleased Espada.

It is no exaggeration that a sealed Shunsui > Masked Shinji

That pretty much puts your stats comparison above as null and void.

The only thing that could go for Shinji in this battle is if Shunsui stands still for one minute waiting for the smell to spread; hardly unlikely. Shunsui will charge at Shinji from the get-go. No chance.

Let's put this into perspective: Shinji needed his mask to spar with an injured, one-armed unreleased SIXTH Espada (Shinji was not holding back either), while Shunsui sealed is on par with the First Espada. That's what I call: Facts.

Well, since he was not putting any effort in whatsoever vs Grimm it's hardly a comparison. Let's not go down this road again - you can hardly say he was on a par with Starrk sealed either, they were feeling each other out, it's not like he was putting Starrk under pressure. But it's not too relevant anyway, those stats were just my personal opinion, but even were Shinji's base stats to be somewhat lower than Shunsui's, it wouldn't make much difference.

Shunsui will not know that Sakanade activates after inhalation of the scent it releases, and if he "charges at Shinji from the get go", the scent will just reach him more quickly. Or do you think Shunsui will just happen to avoid the scent as he recklessly charges at Shinji? Or perhaps he just won't inhale? Not happening. Besides, it doesn't take a minute for a scent to diffuse a few meters (I assume there will not be a larger distance between them when Shinji decides to release), more like a few seconds, especially with the speed increase generated by Shinji spinning his sword.

But I see that you are now relying on Shunsui attacking Shinji before he releases in order to secure a win - so I'll take that as your concession that Shunsui has no way whatsoever of "overcoming Sakanade".

[LucyBenard]

Well, since he was not putting any effort in whatsoever vs Grimm it's hardly a comparison.

OK stop right there. Shinji said that he wasn't holding back when he was fighting a one-armed-injured Grimmjow while masked. This renders the rest of your post as null and void, I am afraid. You need to get the power difference right.

[ShootToKill]

@kkck We already know that a sealed Shunsui is superior in terms of power, speed, and reiatsu to a masked Shinji.

Baseless assumption.

Now let us assume that Shinji managed to get Shunsui under the optical illusion:

Shunsui will instantly realize that he has been put under an optical illusion since the world will be reversed. He'll then Shunpo around (he is faster than Shinji could ever hope to be) and thus, figure out the directions inversion rules, etc.

Baseless assumption / wishful thinking / fanboyism.

Then he'll simple release and go for the kill. Shinji can't land a hit; Shunsui's defense is pretty powerful (Dual swords). Shunsui wouldn't be stupid to try out his games if he'll be at a disadvantage. Thus, rendering your "Cheat code jokes" null and void.

Fanfiction.

[Jackk]

Nothing.

Your baiting is getting a bit too obvious Lucy. Maybe you should be playing it "safe."

Anyway, why do you think Shinji needed his mask to spar with an unreleased injured-one-armed Grimmjow (6th Espada)?

Who said he needed his Mask to spar with Grimmjow? sealed Shinji with no Mask was dodging Grimmjow's attacks very casually.

Could it be that while sealed he wouldn't have been able to take care of such a weak opponent?

Nah.

I wonder.

Nah.

Shunsui on the other hand while sealed, is on par with the #1 Espada. A difference of night and day.
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Half-truths and proof by example fallacies. Good job.

[LucyBenard]

Baseless assumption. Baseless assumption / wishful thinking / fanboyism. Fanfiction.

LOL. Looks like someone gave up here already. As I had said, masked Shinji wasn't holding back against a weak-one-armed-injured Grimmjow, whereas, Shunsui is on par with the first Espada.

[ShootToKill]

OK stop right there. Shinji said that he wasn't holding back when he was fighting a one-armed-injured Grimmjow while masked. This renders the rest of your post as null and void, I am afraid. You need to get the power difference right.

Like Gin "wasn't holding back" against Ichigo you mean? Ha.

A power difference you have fabricated based on your personal preferences and one comment by Yama which might have been relevant 100 years ago and sure as hell isn't now?

And the rest of my post doesn't relate to Shinji vs Grimmjow, my advice is that you read it.

[LucyBenard]

Who said he needed his Mask to spar with Grimmjow? sealed Shinji with no Mask was dodging Grimmjow's attacks very casually.
Nah. Nah. Half-truths and proof by example fallacies. Good job.

Why would he don his mask and not hold back when fighting Grimmjow though if he could do it without a mask?

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Like Gin "wasn't holding back" against Ichigo you mean? Ha.

A power difference you have fabricated based on your personal preferences and one comment by Yama which might have been relevant 100 years ago and sure as hell isn't now?

And the rest of my post doesn't relate to Shinji vs Grimmjow, my advice is that you read it.

What does Gin have to do with anything with this? Shinji said that he wasn't holding back while masked against a weak-one-armed unreleased 6th Espada.

Base Shinji with Mask = Bankai Ichigo with Mask > an injured one-armed 6th Espada at that point in time.

[Jackk]

Why would he don his mask and not hold back when fighting Grimmjow though if he could do it without a mask?

He wanted to shoot a cero at Grimmjow obviously.

Fact still remains that sealed Shinji with no Mask was dodging perfectly fine all of Grimmjow's attacks.

[LucyBenard]

He wanted to shoot a cero at Grimmjow obviously.

Fact still remains that sealed Shinji with no Mask was dodging perfectly fine all of Grimmjow's attacks.

A mask is more than "shooting a cero" though. Hollowfication gives a massive power/speed boost. I repeat, why do you think Shinji needed to don his mask against an unreleased-injured-one-armed 6th Espada if he could do so without it while not holding back when masked?

[El Samurai Guapo]

He only said that he that he wouldn't be holding back right before he fired the cero, which despite having most of it's forced nullified by Grimmjow's cero, still sent Grimmjow flying which resulted him lying on the ground cursing and ready to release. That's when Ulquiorra jumped in and they left. If that's your evidence for Shunsui having superior stats to Shinji that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

[LucyBenard]

He only said that he that he wouldn't be holding back right before he fired the cero, which despite having most of it's forced nullified by Grimmjow's cero, still sent Grimmjow flying which resulted him lying on the ground cursing and ready to release. That's when Ulquiorra jumped in and they left. If that's your evidence for Shunsui having superior stats to Shunsui that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

He wasn't holding back from the start: thus why he put on his mask. What kind of obscure logic are you trying to impose here?

forced nullified by Grimmjow's cero, still sent Grimmjow flying which resulted him lying on the ground cursing and ready to release.

LOL. Wow. Weasel words overload right there. You could've just said: Grimmjow was practically unharmed from it.

[ShootToKill]

What does Gin have to do with anything with this? Shinji said that he wasn't holding back while masked against a weak-one-armed unreleased 6th Espada.

Base Shinji with Mask = Bankai Ichigo with Mask > an injured one-armed 6th Espada at that point in time.

Shinji could have worn his mask for a number of reasons - the two which predominantly come to mind are
1) To make things ridiculously easy for himself so he would be able to put Grimmjow in his place with the least possible effort - an example of this is Yama using Ryujin Jakka against Hallibel's Fraccion, or Aizen using KS against Hallibel. Did they need to? No. Did it make their lives easier? Sure.
2) As a gesture to show the enemy which side the Vizards were on (Ichigo's) - hence using the mask to actually display who and what he was.

But I digress - Shinji easily overpowered Grimmjow so there is no way they are "equal". I might as well say Shunsui overpowered Chad, that makes them equals

[El Samurai Guapo]

He wasn't holding back from the start: thus why he put on his mask. What kind of obscure logic are you trying to impose here?

He put on the mask, your point? He hadn't even brought out his damn shikai; he was holding back a lot any way you slice it. Not holding back = bankai + mask. Shinji was testing the waters at first which is why he said (as he was charging the cero) "Sorry arrancar, you seem kind of strong so I won't be holding back."

LOL. Wow. Weasel words overload right there. You could've just said: Grimmjow was practically unharmed from it.

Pratically unharmed? Wha—
Wow, could you make your trolling/baiting any more obvious?

[LucyBenard]

He put on the mask, your point? He hadn't even brought out his damn shikai; he was holding back a lot any way you slice it. Not holding back = bankai + mask. Shinji was testing the waters at first which is why he said (as he was charging the cero) "Sorry arrancar, you seem kind of strong so I won't be holding back."

Pratically unharmed? Wha—
Wow, could you make your trolling/baiting any more obvious?

Huh? Puting on his mask means one thing: he wasn't holding back form the start. Oh geez, why do you think he "couldn't" bring out his shikai? Yet another example where such a shikai ability FAILS. Grimmjow charged at him from the start, giving Shinji no time to spin his sword for a full minute to invoke the smell. Shunsui will do the same. Another fail.

Shinji said: "You seem strong thus I am not holding back", not "I am not going to hold back"



Obviously, Grimmjow received minimal damaged as he was able to get up instantly and release.

[ShootToKill]

giving Shinji no time to spin his sword for a full minute to invoke the smell.

Where on Earth do you get this "minute" from?