Mahou Sensei Negima 324 Discussion

[deSolAxe]

hmmm.... looks like I guessed right =)

Anyway... If I'm not mistaken, Zect is really old - didn't they say something about not judging by physical appearance? Putting aside the matter whether or not he could be "master" at young age... wasn't Nagi around 15-16 when the war started?

Also if Asuna is immortal, then it's that kind of elven immortality (she won't die by age -probably, but if you kill her, she'll die) at least judging from Grave-keeper. Kitty on the other hand can't be killed (at least not by ordinary means) and doesn't age.

As for Arika... although I hope she'll make appearance soon, I'd rather expect something like dying in childbirth - I just can't imagine mother leaving her child.. especially if Nagi had some business to finish... what happened in Negi's village was totally predictable even if they were confident that MM senate didn't know about him, I probably wouldn't let him live without proper protection - nothing against those villagers, but they couldn't handle middle class and upper-middle class demons...

[Ceipheed]

personally, I dont think the death-after-giving-birth thingy is likely. why? because Theodora's line here suggests something happened that she could or could not have done something about. if Arika did die from childbirth, then I doubt Theo would say something like that 10+ years later.

beside, itd be a pretty boring turn of events if u ask me =(

[deSolAxe]

I presumed that this line might have simply be referring about that execution incident...

It certainly would be boring if she died ... but as I said, I can't imagine mother leaving her child, especially in their conditions. But I can be mistaken and she could have had to accomplish some kind of mission before leaving Negi in that Village - although someone would have probably mentioned her during his childhood, they spoke about Nagi quite often apparently. So I'd say that he was left there in his 2 or 3 years and Arika wasn't around already at the time... which might mean that she left quite shortly after recuperating after birth (if she had survived it)... and somehow i would take Arika for yandere mum...

[Zefyris]

Zect was said to be several hundred years old, just like eva, in a Q&A.
Asuna isn't immortal. She was kept as a young girl by being sealed inside a huge crystal all the times except for when her power was needed.
At least that what suggest
1) what was shown as asuna's memories in Negima
2) the fact that after being freed, she started to age at a normal speed.

Random guesses :
-As for Arika, I think that her disappearance has something to do with the lifemaker, who seems to be really interested to do experiments on his/her descendants. This may have been what triggered he fights against the lifemaker and Secundum 10 years ago.
And about the lifemaker liking to do experiments on his/her descendants....
-That's probably why the lord of the graveyard looks so young even thought she's probably very old.
-That's probably the cause of chao's magic circuits.
-And eva may pretty much be part of his/her familly too, seeing as
1) she was experimented upon by him/her while being young so she probably has some kind of relation to him/her, and it may be a blood relation, especially since :
2) her magia erebea is the same kind of magic as the lifemaker. Why can she use it? maybe because she has his/her blood... Just like negi can use it...

[Ceipheed]

@Zefyris
you make some interesting points. the one thing I dont agree with, however, is about Eva's Magia Erebea.

Eva said she developed the technique herself, but both Fate and Dynamis liken it to the Lifemaker's powers. to me, this means that, as she was experimented upon by the Lifemaker (probably on methods to attain immortality [不滅]), the magic she came to develop after so many years was influenced by the magic of the Lifemaker.

wat I mean to say is that I dont think she inherited the technique from the Lifemaker. Why can she use it, u ask? well because she developed the technique herself, of course! why do fate and Dynamis say its the same power as their master's? her magic might share traits with the Lifemaker's

[jmangeo]

Zefyris, your point about "lifemaker experiments" is so interesting... of course, there are many situations that seem display that...

Maybe, the attack ten years ago to Negi's village was a try to kidnaped?
Furthermore... where is the lifemaker now? under the magical tree?

[chaosprophettk]

Zefyris, looking at CanonRap's translation of the chapter, it seems the part about experimenting was only Eva's guess, and considering the MoB is much older than Eva, he should have already aattained immortality at the time. Now for what reason he did that to Eva is a very interesting question I'm looking forward a lot to the answer. Hopefully it wont take too many chs till we get it.

[Franckie]

If the Lifemaker is responsible for turning Eva, then this development suggests the Lifemaker is weaker than Eva since she succeeded in killing him centuries ago. I'm curious as to how she could accomplish such a task considering how Ala Alba got smacked around the past two times they clashed with the Lifemaker.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Akametsu glosses over this tidbit. There have been a few major hiccups in his storytelling here lately.

[Zefyris]

Zefyris, looking at CanonRap's translation of the chapter, it seems the part about experimenting was only Eva's guess, and considering the MoB is much older than Eva, he should have already aattained immortality at the time. Now for what reason he did that to Eva is a very interesting question I'm looking forward a lot to the answer. Hopefully it wont take too many chs till we get it.

@Zefyris
(probably on methods to attain immortality [不滅]),

That's not it. The lifemaker has fumetsu, and was experimenting on fushi. The contrary.

He use little girls as tool. And still, rather than being experimented upon, being part of his family is a far better explanation about why she can use this skill.
The fact that she attained fushi is why she wasn't affected by magia erebea encroachment; not why she could use it.

Also about eva killing him centuries ago; it was suggested on mangafox's forum that the lifemaker is kind of like a wandering soul possessing bodies. That's why, in the kurt's movie, we saw Zect talking with the lifemaker tone, saying things that the lifemaker would have said, following up what the lifemaker said before, and so on.
It's unmistakably the lifemaker speaking there. 100% sure ( I can give 4 or 5 reasons why if necessary). So why are the bubble pointing toward zecht?

If this is true, then she merely killed his/her body of that time. Which may have been weak compared to his current body 20 years ago.
There was even a follow up about that theory saying that right now, the lifemaker's occupied body is still Zect, and therefore that Zect s sealled with the lifemaker's soul inside him below the world tree.

I think those are theories worth considering.

[Ceipheed]

it does make sense that the Lifemaker be able to change bodies, but I fail to see where chaosprophettk or I discussed any of this.

as for the rest of wat you said , we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[animefinder]

and for me, its a also random guessing of mine. if the parents of the girls in mahora have magical power, they probaly knowed about the giant blood tree i aways saw this tree as the center of mahora city. and in fact why the director of mahora gakuen sugest negi into asuna's room? maybe to have her memories back somehow? i know that this is silling...but is just a thing that is bugging me a long time ago.....we also know that takamishi is nagi's pactio partiner. so why this asuna was in love with him? =/ we saw him with nagi and the litle asuna on the castle on her memories when she was training with eva. and what about the gray path? im a bit confused on it. i know that nagi choosed the light path and eva is a black path.......and another thing that is bugging me is like mentioned........is eva really relationed to negi? lately akamatsu mind is in a mistery mood so we can expect lots of thing...hope that somebody can have me some light to my thoughts. and im awaiting baddly for chapter 324.

ah, and i dont know if is the moment but can someone tell to me if this is the right colour of negi with fullpower? http://i56.tinypic.com/28tg7cg.png i painted a long time ago =_= and i messed around with the collour

[Ceipheed]

ok, animefinder. let's do this point by point.

I am going to assume giant blood tree = The World Tree.

Why was Negi put in Asuna's and Konoka's room? well, he IS the son of Nagi, Hero of the Mundus Magicus, so I believe it is natural to have him live with Asuna (princess of the Magic World whom Nagi saved) and Konoka (daughter of Nagi's friend)

as for Takamichi being Nagi's pactio partner, I dont remember this. can you please point me to the chapter where they say this?

Takamichi has been taking care of Asuna since she was a little kid (and after they erased her memories), so I believe its pretty natural that she develops feelings for him.

as for the gray path, that is just Eva's way of saying that he go on his own path, not his father's, Nagi's, (the path of light) nor her own (the path of darkness). in case this isnt clear enough: black (darkness) + white (light) = gray; something in the middle of both.

as for Eva being related to Negi. that is just wat some ppl think. it hasnt been explicitly said and/or insinuated in the manga. it is just a prediction; an idea.

as for your pic. I lilke it, although I believe Negi is missing some rage in his eyes

[bebuxe]

ok Ceipheed, that was just mean for paragraph 4.

and thanks Zefyris for the asuna clarification.

animefinder:
1. not all the girls have magical parents. Or should I say, we have not met all the parents, so we do not know.

2. No, not all the staff members of mahora know what's below the tree, only few peoples

3. To tell you the truth, the main reason above all, that director decided to place Negi, Asuna, and Konoka together is because he knows they can cancel each other out from many disasters; esp. magical disasters coming out of unstable Konoka. Negi figured it out a long time ago. I can reference the chapter where he figured it out, but I am going to be lazy today not to (unless you bug me). Read the chapter we he clicked it.

4. NO, tamakachi aint his partner. Just friends.

5. Umm, her misplaced memories for his love for Nagi, maybe? Remember she said it herself "It was Tamakachi that helped me when there was no one. It was him who helped me get into this school." (or something like that). She feels that he took her in when she was all lonely, but it was the erasure of memory that made her feel lonely, as if she had no one. In reality we learn that the memories were dampened. That's why she is able to recollect the memories of Nagi and Negi alike, and cries over finding the thing she almost lost, conviction, something both have and she admire/felt-in-love-with. (I can imagen my english teacher looking at me like, "And why did you post this type of response on the exams?" with a wand on her hand)

6. Ceipheed concluded the gray path perfectly. I would give him a passing grade for that, and an apple. want one?

7. No, Ken's mind in not in a mystery. Its just stressed, very stressed. You should look at his work schedule for once, that might give you a heads up as to why it took him so long to make this tangent of a story. *ahem, producer-executive decisions, with the money in their pockets, ahem*

8. sorry, I can't tell. I am awful at interpreting manga colors as established in the forum below this one. *achoo*

Every other Zect fan:

Knowing Ken, as an..., let's be gentle with this..., as an author-life enthusiast (that sound nice right? nothing that rings the word f*, oops almost did it). Zect will make a an appearance. How it develops into the story, I do not know how he will implement it into the plot. (flashback?) But know for, sorry I got to censor this one, this event will occur, as well a dumb-down clarification of the plot, and its twists. Like ice cream on a Sunday! So enjoy the for the 150$USD that you may pay to get a copy of shonen jump that only includes an average of 19 pages for novel for a month, yish.

anything other debates or discussions, I got my guns ready, so holler them up, and get ready for some whoopin'.

[turok]

new developments disturb me. one that eva killed but actually didnt? disturbing.

[deSolAxe]

Truth to be told... I don't see any inconsistency in story, I might be forgetting something.

If I remember the part about Eva's turning correctly, she believed that she killed the person responsible, and Al and co. actually said it might have been MotB's doing, that he didn't die and is sealed under the Tree.
I thought this much, but then I suspect that there are 2 points that are questionable.
1. Eva herself said that in the beginning she had usual vampire-like weaknesses - so i think it would be strange if she could overpower Lifemaker in such state - even if he was weakened. Remember how strong Eva is even without her magic.
2. Even if it really was MotB's doing, it doesn't mean it was him personally who did it. He might have had some minions - kind of beginning phase of CE so she might have actually killed some grunt...

But those experiments are interesting idea. If Eva was his lab-rat then it IMO might have had something to do with creating MM - As I understand it he created hundreds of species in MM (even if those were copies of those existing at one time in the OW - he recreated them practically from scratch - think about that ancient dragon that got erased) and what would be better practice than artificially making one of the mightiest being in existence...

Also Eva's ability to use ME is dependent on her being shinso, she said it herself. She could develop the technique solely because she didn't need to worry about side-effects - it was repeatedly said that it consumes body and soul of user, but it seems she heals so fast it has very little effect and repeated use might have actually enhanced her powers, if you remember the part when Negi was first inside that scroll it was about accepting all, including the true reason for his drive and using it.

As for the path I liked how they said it - that none on this world is clean and that one has to do evil to survive. So I like to think that the "gray" came out of this.