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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Just to clear. It's just strange to say the least that someone even try to say that Fraccion are on par with unreleased Espada and especially with top 3 - 5.
    Here it is stated by the same Fraccion (the strongest) that the strength of Espada is comletely on a different level compared to the Numeros and Fraccion.
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-663-4/...apter-209.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-663-5/...apter-209.html
    So, no way released Numeros can be compared to even sealed Espada.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    HarribeL Against:

    Vice Captains
    Bankai Renji - Stomps
    Bankai Ikkaku - Stomps
    Masked Shikai Hiyori -Stomps
    Masked Mashiro - Stomps
    Masked Shikai Lisa - Wins

    Recent Captains
    Shikai Mayrui - Stomps
    Shikai Komamura - Wins
    Shikai Byakuya - 50/50
    Shikai Soifon - 50/50
    Patched/1-hand Kenpachi - 50/50

    Veteran Captains
    Shikai Rose - Wins
    Shikai Love - 50/50
    Shikai Kensei - 50/50
    Shikai Ukitake - Loses (Hype)
    Shikai Shinji - Gets Stomped
    Shikai Shunsui - Gets Stomped
    Last edited by Broken_Wing; April 18, 2011 at 07:22 AM.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Again... Harribel will wins against all Vice Captain including Masked Shikai Lisa, she's nothing compare to Harribel . Between Ikkaku and Lisa... i do think Ikkaku much more stronger. The problem only with Recent and Veteran Captain which is so far only Ukitake, Love, Shinji and Shunsui will give problem to Harribel. I think why sometimes we think that she weak only because Toshiro is overpowered. It's will be different if Harribel started with Komamura, Hiyori, Lisa or can be Rose. I thinks she have bad luck in Bleach.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by Broken_Wing View Post
    HarribeL Against:

    Vice Captains
    Bankai Renji - Stomps
    Bankai Ikkaku - Stomps
    Masked Shikai Hiyori -Stomps
    Masked Mashiro - Stomps
    Masked Shikai Lisa - Wins

    Recent Captains
    Shikai Mayrui - Stomps
    Shikai Komamura - Wins
    Shikai Byakuya - 50/50
    Shikai Soifon - 50/50
    Patched/1-hand Kenpachi - 50/50

    Veteran Captains
    Shikai Rose - Wins
    Shikai Love - 50/50
    Shikai Kensei - 50/50
    Shikai Ukitake - Loses (Hype)
    Shikai Shinji - Gets Stomped
    Shikai Shunsui - Gets Stomped
    This is exactly how I see it playing out.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Huh? Base Harribel would own the Vice Captains with the exception of the Visored Vice Captains,

    she would own every Junior Captain with the exception of Kenpachi,

    And yeah would get destroyed by the Veteran captains; all of them. Seriously, Love and his fellow Captains have shown the feats to take down people like Bankai Byakuya with just a Shikai.

    Even Lisa's shown the feats to take down Byakuya, really

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    Huh? Base Harribel would own the Vice Captains with the exception of the Visored Vice Captains,

    she would own every Junior Captain with the exception of Kenpachi,

    And yeah would get destroyed by the Veteran captains; all of them. Seriously, Love and his fellow Captains have shown the feats to take down people like Bankai Byakuya with just a Shikai.

    Even Lisa's shown the feats to take down Byakuya, really
    So you saying she loses to Hiyori, Lisa and Mashiro...?
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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    Huh? Base Harribel would own the Vice Captains with the exception of the Visored Vice Captains,

    she would own every Junior Captain with the exception of Kenpachi,

    And yeah would get destroyed by the Veteran captains; all of them. Seriously, Love and his fellow Captains have shown the feats to take down people like Bankai Byakuya with just a Shikai.

    Even Lisa's shown the feats to take down Byakuya, really
    Oh wow... there are so many things wrong with this post. Love and his fellow vizard captains have not had a decent showing against any opponent. ANd now u are claiming that they can take on byakuy hahaha .
    omg there's so much BS in this post its ridiculous. And even lisa can take him haha. THe same noob VC that couldn't even injure a weakened halibel with her mask and shikai even though it was 3 on 1.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    The Espada seem to be seriously underestimated... and I thought the Vizards had it bad - but the third strongest Espada in base losing to a somewhat powered up VC with a Shikai that's displayed no feats? Not a chance. Only an average level Captain in Bankai or an above average level Captain in Shikai could fight on equal terms with even unreleased Hallibel imo. The Espada are no laughing matter - the top 3 all had cheap deaths imo which leads to their underestimation.

    Hallibel destroys all VCs, beats all juniors except for perhaps Kenpachi and Soifon, due to their superior power/speed respectively. Against the seniors, she would be on an equal footing with the Vizard VCs in Shikai imo - the battle might go either way. I would imagine her to be less tough than Starrk, and since she doesn't have wolves, it would take a hell of a lot to put down Love or Rose. Kensei is another underestimated character due to his apparent loss to WW, but he is I would imagine at the same level as the other Vizard Captains, apart from perhaps Shinji, and would again give Hallibel a lot of trouble. Ukitake would probably win as long as his illness doesn't get the better of him, and Shinji and Shunsui would win with ease due to their high base/masked abilities and the haxness of their Shikais, both of which Hallibel would be susceptible to I believe.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by ShootToKill View Post
    The Espada seem to be seriously underestimated... and I thought the Vizards had it bad - but the third strongest Espada in base losing to a somewhat powered up VC with a Shikai that's displayed no feats? Not a chance. Only an average level Captain in Bankai or an above average level Captain in Shikai could fight on equal terms with even unreleased Hallibel imo. The Espada are no laughing matter - the top 3 all had cheap deaths imo which leads to their underestimation.

    Hallibel destroys all VCs, beats all juniors except for perhaps Kenpachi and Soifon, due to their superior power/speed respectively. Against the seniors, she would be on an equal footing with the Vizard VCs in Shikai imo - the battle might go either way. I would imagine her to be less tough than Starrk, and since she doesn't have wolves, it would take a hell of a lot to put down Love or Rose. Kensei is another underestimated character due to his apparent loss to WW, but he is I would imagine at the same level as the other Vizard Captains, apart from perhaps Shinji, and would again give Hallibel a lot of trouble. Ukitake would probably win as long as his illness doesn't get the better of him, and Shinji and Shunsui would win with ease due to their high base/masked abilities and the haxness of their Shikais, both of which Hallibel would be susceptible to I believe.
    I'd buy some of that if this weren't sealed Harribel we were talking about here. There's a really big difference between a sealed espada and an espada in her/her resureccion form. Seriously, sealed Harribel is fodder compared to her released form. Even lower ranked espada in their released forms would defeat sealed Harribel with ease if you ask me. I honestly don't see any of the captains losing to a sealed espada, except perhaps Barragan due to his his hax time field thing.

    It's true that some captains like Byakuya have worthless shikai, but even then, between his sealed sword and kidou I think he could defeat sealed Harribel without much difficulty. Released Harribel? Even bankai Byakuya is going down HARD. See, I'm not underestimating her overall, it's just that while sealed they (arrancar) can't use their real hollow powers so they're SEVERELY handicapped in all aspects. The resureccion boost far exceeds the boost shinigami get from bankai.
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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    What? Takahashi, you seem to want to debate Love/Lisa vs Byakuya with me. Have you forgotten about Byakuya's SS arc feats?

    Or do the "new feats replace the old?" Because they do no such thing. Zommari isn't the best with speed, Yammy doesn't have the second strongest hierro, Renji has crushed Senkei with his hand...

    etc.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    What? Takahashi, you seem to want to debate Love/Lisa vs Byakuya with me. Have you forgotten about Byakuya's SS arc feats?

    Or do the "new feats replace the old?" Because they do no such thing. Zommari isn't the best with speed, Yammy doesn't have the second strongest hierro, Renji has crushed Senkei with his hand...

    etc.
    What? Zommari has the fastest Sonido, Yammy DOES have the second strongest Hierro, Renji did NOT crush Senkei with his hand, it was the first form of his Bankai. What are you even talking about now?

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Zommari's speed isn't the best

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-617-1/...apter-163.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-753-10...apter-299.html

    Easy comparison.

    Yammy doesn't have the second strongest hierro, because databook doesn't cover released Yammy, only base Yammy

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-647-11...apter-193.html

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-795-12...apter-341.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-795-13...apter-341.html

    Ulquiorra's is tougher, neither expected their opponent to hit them; easy comparison.

    Renji crushed Senkei with his hand.

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-597-17...apter-143.html

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    Zommari's speed isn't the best
    Zommari's SONIDO is the fastest.

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    Yammy doesn't have the second strongest hierro, because databook doesn't cover released Yammy, only base Yammy

    Ulquiorra's is tougher, neither expected their opponent to hit them; easy comparison.
    No. Reiatsu also factors in to defense. Ulq has MUCH, MUCH more Reiatsu, obviously he won't be cut as easily regardless of the Hierro advantage Yammy has.

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    Renji crushed Senkei with his hand.

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-597-17...apter-143.html
    No, no he didn't. Byakuya was still in his first form, that was not Senkei.

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by Takahashi View Post
    Zommari's SONIDO is the fastest.
    Yet Byakuya could react to him. So by proof of feats over fallacious character statements the other Espada simply have better speed feats.

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    No. Reiatsu also factors in to defense. Ulq has MUCH, MUCH more Reiatsu, obviously he won't be cut as easily regardless of the Hierro advantage Yammy has.
    Huh? Ulquiorra has a lot more Rei than Ichigo?

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-794-17...apter-340.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-794-18...apter-340.html

    Don't think so.

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    No, no he didn't. Byakuya was still in his first form, that was not Senkei.
    Huh?

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-597-9/...apter-143.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-597-10...apter-143.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-597-12...apter-143.html

    Those are Senkei swords dude.

    That Renji crushed

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    Re: Harribel (Base) in Captains Gauntlet (Shikai)

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    Yet Byakuya could react to him. So by proof of feats over fallacious character statements the other Espada simply have better speed feats.
    No. Zommari's claim is true. Look at the databook, there's no contradiction.


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    Huh? Ulquiorra has a lot more Rei than Ichigo?
    Much more than YAMMY, not Ichigo.



    He was not IN his Senkei form. It was still the first form of his Bankai. I'm not even sure why you're arguing this, they still impaled him, they break, reform, it doesn't even matter.

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