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Translations: Gintama 510 (2)
Just to clear. It's just strange to say the least that someone even try to say that Fraccion are on par with unreleased Espada and especially with top 3 - 5.
Here it is stated by the same Fraccion (the strongest) that the strength of Espada is comletely on a different level compared to the Numeros and Fraccion.
So, no way released Numeros can be compared to even sealed Espada.
Bankai Renji - Stomps
Bankai Ikkaku - Stomps
Masked Shikai Hiyori -Stomps
Masked Mashiro - Stomps
Masked Shikai Lisa - Wins
Shikai Mayrui - Stomps
Shikai Komamura - Wins
Shikai Byakuya - 50/50
Shikai Soifon - 50/50
Patched/1-hand Kenpachi - 50/50
Shikai Rose - Wins
Shikai Love - 50/50
Shikai Kensei - 50/50
Shikai Ukitake - Loses (Hype)
Shikai Shinji - Gets Stomped
Shikai Shunsui - Gets Stomped
Last edited by Broken_Wing; April 18, 2011 at 07:22 AM.
Again... Harribel will wins against all Vice Captain including Masked Shikai Lisa, she's nothing compare to Harribel . Between Ikkaku and Lisa... i do think Ikkaku much more stronger. The problem only with Recent and Veteran Captain which is so far only Ukitake, Love, Shinji and Shunsui will give problem to Harribel. I think why sometimes we think that she weak only because Toshiro is overpowered. It's will be different if Harribel started with Komamura, Hiyori, Lisa or can be Rose. I thinks she have bad luck in Bleach.
Huh? Base Harribel would own the Vice Captains with the exception of the Visored Vice Captains,
she would own every Junior Captain with the exception of Kenpachi,
And yeah would get destroyed by the Veteran captains; all of them. Seriously, Love and his fellow Captains have shown the feats to take down people like Bankai Byakuya with just a Shikai.
Even Lisa's shown the feats to take down Byakuya, really
omg there's so much BS in this post its ridiculous. And even lisa can take him haha. THe same noob VC that couldn't even injure a weakened halibel with her mask and shikai even though it was 3 on 1.
The Espada seem to be seriously underestimated... and I thought the Vizards had it bad - but the third strongest Espada in base losing to a somewhat powered up VC with a Shikai that's displayed no feats? Not a chance. Only an average level Captain in Bankai or an above average level Captain in Shikai could fight on equal terms with even unreleased Hallibel imo. The Espada are no laughing matter - the top 3 all had cheap deaths imo which leads to their underestimation.
Hallibel destroys all VCs, beats all juniors except for perhaps Kenpachi and Soifon, due to their superior power/speed respectively. Against the seniors, she would be on an equal footing with the Vizard VCs in Shikai imo - the battle might go either way. I would imagine her to be less tough than Starrk, and since she doesn't have wolves, it would take a hell of a lot to put down Love or Rose. Kensei is another underestimated character due to his apparent loss to WW, but he is I would imagine at the same level as the other Vizard Captains, apart from perhaps Shinji, and would again give Hallibel a lot of trouble. Ukitake would probably win as long as his illness doesn't get the better of him, and Shinji and Shunsui would win with ease due to their high base/masked abilities and the haxness of their Shikais, both of which Hallibel would be susceptible to I believe.
It's true that some captains like Byakuya have worthless shikai, but even then, between his sealed sword and kidou I think he could defeat sealed Harribel without much difficulty. Released Harribel? Even bankai Byakuya is going down HARD. See, I'm not underestimating her overall, it's just that while sealed they (arrancar) can't use their real hollow powers so they're SEVERELY handicapped in all aspects. The resureccion boost far exceeds the boost shinigami get from bankai.
Last edited by El Samurai Guapo; April 19, 2011 at 04:27 PM.
What? Takahashi, you seem to want to debate Love/Lisa vs Byakuya with me. Have you forgotten about Byakuya's SS arc feats?
Or do the "new feats replace the old?" Because they do no such thing. Zommari isn't the best with speed, Yammy doesn't have the second strongest hierro, Renji has crushed Senkei with his hand...
Zommari's speed isn't the best
Yammy doesn't have the second strongest hierro, because databook doesn't cover released Yammy, only base Yammy
Ulquiorra's is tougher, neither expected their opponent to hit them; easy comparison.
Renji crushed Senkei with his hand.
No. Reiatsu also factors in to defense. Ulq has MUCH, MUCH more Reiatsu, obviously he won't be cut as easily regardless of the Hierro advantage Yammy has.Quote:
No, no he didn't. Byakuya was still in his first form, that was not Senkei.Quote:
Huh? Ulquiorra has a lot more Rei than Ichigo?Quote:
Don't think so.
Those are Senkei swords dude.
That Renji crushed
Much more than YAMMY, not Ichigo.Quote:
He was not IN his Senkei form. It was still the first form of his Bankai. I'm not even sure why you're arguing this, they still impaled him, they break, reform, it doesn't even matter.Quote: