Tsunade vs Juugo

[Rikudou King]

How about crushing his head? Do you think he would be able to survive with no brain? Tsunade stomps. She can also do that inversing of your arms legs and stuff and he would be unable to even move.
Tsunade also has way better strength feats then Raikage. She is going to blow him away.

Raikage has better penetrating power because of his speed but Tsunade makes more of an "explosion" when she punches. Its like trowing a bullet would do no harm but shoting if from a gun makes a hole. Anyway i see no way for this dude to win. Even if he injures her she can regenerate them fast back to full.

Well, normally a person can't survive with a hole in them and a broken neck... But Tsunade would still have to catch him first. She had trouble hitting Kabuto and he had equal speed to her. Juugo has shown that he's fast enough to avoid a cloak Kirabi and nearly block an enhanced Ee. Ee punched straight through Juugo and broke the Susanoo riblets. What feats do Tsunade have that's better then that? And Ee's power doesn't only come from his speed. He was able to create a crater while standing still. Juugo has several options to win. He can slice her head off with his arm blade, use his chakra blast to destroy her, use his jet punches, or in the worst case absorb her. Tsunade would need time to heal and that would put her on a time limit, meaning Juugo would only have to last for a short while longer before she's left defenseless.

are you kidding us?
Tsunade can regenerate if she is in danger
she gots the snale
she can make him unable to move and crush his head

she is kage and sannin after all, juugo is nowhere near this level

1) Regenerating is dangerous for her as it puts her on a time limit.
2) I have no idea what you mean here.
3) She would first have to catch him and she couldn't even catch Kabuto who's slower.
4) Juugo has fought against a much more powerful Kage and a full Jinchuuriki and survived. Tsunade has nothing that he can't handle.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

Focusing on killing Sasuke doesn't diminish his reaction time. It's called multi-tasking. Besides, everything about Killerbee shows that he should have the common sense and base speed to expect and react to a surprise attack from a ninja he totally knew was literally 4 feet away.

We're arguing movement speed relative to Tsunade. What you've proven is that Bee can take a punch (which no one's arguing against). Convince me that that has any bearing at all on Juugo's speed compared to Tsunade. Also remember that surprise attacks don't have a 100% success rate. Sasuke tried two surprise attackes on Deidara. Both failed despite him being faster than Deidara considerably, so you can't say Juugo never would've touched Bee without that handicap.

He landed on the ground at the speed of a chakra shroud powered rocket (look at the next page, the rock he "landed" on exploded into dust. That wasn't a simple hop, he was blitzing). It's not like he was just falling, he propelled himself with a force comperable to that of a 3 tailed jinchuuriki. Where as Tsunade moves as fast as a... what? When has she ever shown speed worthy of praise, or are we relying on hype?

Juugo may not have been remarked as a super fast ninja by anyone, (and niether has Tsunade, lmao), but we know for a fact that he can boost his movement speed with chakra boosters aswell as the fact that he can move faster thanks to Curse Seal to begin with.

you brought up earlier that he didnt have a exclamation at the attack suggest he didnt see it coming, i see it has his lack of a reaction is simply him not bothering to counter. you said it yourself that he knew he was behind but made no attempt to do anything, and you agree hes far more than capable of it so it seems more like him not really caring enough to bother with defending against the attack when he tanked it anyway

what im suggesting is if he knows he can take the attack there will be times where he doesnt bother to dodge when he completely capable of it. which doesnt say much about juugo's speed but more of bee's lax attitude about the matter. and considering sasuke and deidara have the same speed stats in the databook i wouldnt really say he considerably
faster but just enough to make a difference.

if you recall what was said about bee's attack pattern in his cloak he moves in linear fashion, meaning straight lines he doesnt blitz people like his brother so if you see him coming from as far away as juugo then you should be able to avoid getting hit if you start moving away from his path.


anyways if i recall correctly from tusnades fight with kabuto she had him on the ropes up until he took that soldier pill and her fear of blood kicked, all the while she admits shes been out of practice since leaving the village but still was able to surprise and blitz behind kabuto and disable him briefly with that chop that left his senses confused.

given that as medical nin shes herself has describe their roles as beening able to evade attacks out on the field and if she any good at it as sakura was when she fought sasori thats definitely noteworthy. and on top of that we forget she can use her chakra scapels for combat as well as healing.

Edit:

What feats do Tsunade have that's better then that? And Ee's power doesn't only come from his speed. He was able to create a crater while standing still.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page018.html

[Rikudou King]

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page018.html

I'm not sure what that link is suppose to prove. It in no way is a better feat then breaking Susanoo and it doesn't change the fact that Ee created a crater while standing still.

[huynhlan]

first of all, I want to ask when did A create a creater when he was standing still, didn't he create it when he slam sasuke to the ground, and secondly I want to point out this
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page003.html
As any one can see the earth split with one finger, this is tsunade right here, A can't compete with this.

[shuha27]

IMO, Tsunade is much stronger in strength than Raikage. She has her own natutal monstrous strength which she incorporates with her chakra so her taijutsu can become more deadly. She already showed she can make a big crack on the ground with one finger. She also has her medical ninjutsu to help her in this fight against Juugo. If she uses that one technique to mess with Juugo's nervous system he will be demolished at that moment. I'm pretty sure she will be able to catch someone that will also be fighting in close combat.

[ninjabot]

I'm not sure why we're still referencing strength anyway when it's the speed that we should be bringing to attention. All the strength in the world means nothing against an opponent if you can't connect with a hit.

I'm not implying that Juugo is fast enough to dodge every blow (evidenced by the fact that I still think he'd lose), but I am still waiting for proof that she's fast enough to hang with a CS2 fueled Juugo enought to end it quickly. That's why I say it'd be a difficult victory.

if you recall what was said about bee's attack pattern in his cloak he moves in linear fashion, meaning straight lines he doesnt blitz people like his brother so if you see him coming from as far away as juugo then you should be able to avoid getting hit if you start moving away from his path.

Not if you're not fast enough to, and he's clearly fast enough that his linear attack pattern can't be avoided by the average ninja. Sasuke may have taken advantage of his attack pattern, but he also had a Sharingan and was no slouch in the speed department to begin with. You notice when Bee was about to hit Juugo and the rest he was in mid flight, half way there by the time Juugo noticed his target. Even then, he barely escapes in time. Linear or not distance plays alot into it aswell.

[Montai]

IMO, Tsunade is much stronger in strength than Raikage. She has her own natutal monstrous strength which she incorporates with her chakra so her taijutsu can become more deadly. She already showed she can make a big crack on the ground with one finger. She also has her medical ninjutsu to help her in this fight against Juugo. If she uses that one technique to mess with Juugo's nervous system he will be demolished at that moment. I'm pretty sure she will be able to catch someone that will also be fighting in close combat.

Also, Juugo just doesn't have the battle experience that Tsunade has.

[xXan]

I'm not sure what that link is suppose to prove. It in no way is a better feat then breaking Susanoo and it doesn't change the fact that Ee created a crater while standing still.

How is this:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page015.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page016.html

Compared to this Raikage looks like a kid...
Also that Susano was a extremely primitive version... Even the poison fog was more then able to melt it like nothing. Its not like he was able to damage a fully formed Susano...

Also the Raiga Bomb its not standing still.... Its a special move using both your hands and putting all your power (full body) into that slam. Tsunade blowing stuff up with only 1 leg>Raiga Bomb as she is using a lot less muscles to do it.

Also its 1 thing to smash his neck and another to destroy his brain. Even if he can regenerate his brain there is no way in hell his memories would grow back...

Then comes the summon... The same summon that had a small version of itself survive inside the KYUUBI.

I have to say you have a interesting way of underestimating and overestimating characters.

There is no way in hell this guy is going to take down a Hokage and a legendary sannin... This guy is close to fodder(debatable)...

[Rikudou King]

Ee actually broke the Susanoo riblet twice when Sasuke was basically at full health. Mei melted the riblets when Sasuke was already exhausted. There's a big difference. So the Raiga Bomber doesn't count because it's a special move, but Tsunade using chakra to make stuff blow up does? How does that work.

The point was that without knowing how Juugo's body actually works, destroying his brain may or may not work. He could very well just regenerate the damage brain cells and still restore the memories. I mean, if Orochimaru can continue on and still have his memories without a physical body nothing is impossible. I'll agree that Katsuya would be hard to deal with. But Juugo wouldn't have to technically deal with it. He could choose to ignore it and go straight for Tsunade at that moment. And while Katsuya can protect Tsunade, that also means that Tsunade can't do anything else while inside her.

We're talking about a Hokage and legendary sannin that couldn't catch or beat a mid level jounin (technically a genin) in direct combat. So I'm not underestimating her or overestimating Juugo. Juugo lost against two of the strongest ninjas in the series, Ee (who's physically similar to Tsunade except superior speed and refelxes) and Kirabi (a full powered jinchuuriki and master swordsmen). There's nothing to be ashamed of losing to them, considering they defeated far better ninjas then him. Tsunade meanwhile had trouble fighting a weaker opponent. So her title of Hokage and sannin means little compared to what she shown. Kabuto had little trouble avoiding any of Tsunade's attacks to the point where they both were getting exhausted. Kabuto was also able to land several attacks of his own on Tsunade while dodging hers, even though they were even in speed. Heck, Tsunade was only able to land a hit on Kabuto because he lowered his guard thinking she wouldn't be able to move. Juugo is much faster and have better offensive then Kabuto had, so why wouldn't he be able to do that much better? He could also tank her hits better then the majority of ninjas. Tsunade doesn't have much options to beat Juugo. Even the crushing his brain example would require her to actually get to him and grab him to pull it off and as we have seen, she would have trouble doing that. Juugo had enough speed with his reflexes to attempt to block an enhanced Ee's punch. If Juugo can attempt that against the much faster Ee, then why couldn't he block Tsunade's attack? Not just that, but if Juugo was to absorb her like he did that samurai, it wouldn't matter what sort of healing abilities she has. Heck, his chakra blast would do plenty of damage. And he would be able to outlast Tsunade in the chakra department, especially if she's force to release her seal. After that, Juugo would only have to last five to ten minutes before Tsunade loses the ability to fight back and then it would be like taking candy from a baby.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

Ee actually broke the Susanoo riblet twice when Sasuke was basically at full health. Mei melted the riblets when Sasuke was already exhausted.

When Sasuke was exhausted his Susano reverted back to riblet only Susano, the same version that Raikage made a crack in. it was the same thing. Sasuke only had enough chakra to sustain that level of Susano(that is the first level of it, there is none lower, any lower and it just disapears).

So the Raiga Bomber doesn't count because it's a special move, but Tsunade using chakra to make stuff blow up does? How does that work.

LOL what?

You stated:

He was able to create a crater while standing still

And then i stated he was not just stating still... He used a special moved, Raiga Bomber... I never stated its not valid ... Also then i stated how this move involves more muscles and more effort to perform then a leg hit from Tsunade.

The point was that without knowing how Juugo's body actually works, destroying his brain may or may not work. He could very well just regenerate the damage brain cells and still restore the memories. I mean, if Orochimaru can continue on and still have his memories without a physical body nothing is impossible.

Orochimaru uses a special tech to transfer himself over to another person. Its like recording a disc when you already have a disc in the other slot. Now try to record that disc if you don't have a copy on hand.
If you want more info on this you can go here:
http://www.myfitbrain.com/blog/index...mical-release/
Regenerating damaged brain cells would not give you your memories back. Expecialy when your brain is turned to paste. Still Tsunade has no need to kill him, just to incapacitate him.

We're talking about a Hokage and legendary sannin that couldn't catch or beat a mid level jounin (technically a genin) in direct combat. So I'm not underestimating her or overestimating Juugo.

Tsunade had problems back then, problems that she would not have now. She failed because of the blood thing. Also that guy is Kakashi level... When she got her mind in the game she was blasting Oro about (yes no hands). Even Naruto is still technically a genin... Is he a wimp to?
Tsunade back then was in bad shape. Drinking and other stuff. Also her motivation was crep. Will power = win (Naruto and J man's words).

j man stating the dude is on Kakashi level:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...5/page015.html

Juugo lost against two of the strongest ninjas in the series, Ee (who's physically similar to Tsunade except superior speed and refelxes) and Kirabi (a full powered jinchuuriki and master swordsmen). There's nothing to be ashamed of losing to them, considering they defeated far better ninjas then him.

Ashamed? Nop, defenetly not. A feat of anything? Defenely not. Getting completly owend even by Rikudo would be no feat of anything.

Kabuto had little trouble avoiding any of Tsunade's attacks to the point where they both were getting exhausted.

Because she never had her mind in the game. After she decided to fight she released that seal and she still had lots of chakra left. She continued into beating Oro to a pulp(no hand yes), jumping around with a huge ass sword, summoning a huge thing etc. Also Kabuto=Kakashi>Juugo (Kakashi for sure, Kabuto not sure).

Juugo is much faster and have better offensive then Kabuto had

Much faster? How so? Need some proof here. Better offensive? How so? They where able to do 0 damage to the peeps he targeded (Kage level). Shield or not Juugo has no feats on those weapons of his.

Juugo had enough speed with his reflexes to attempt to block an enhanced Ee's punch.

And Konohamaru would have enough speed to try and block a punch from Rikudo himself but he will still recive it in his face ... big deal...

If Juugo can attempt that against the much faster Ee, then why couldn't he block Tsunade's attack?

Juugo bloking 1 attack from Tsunade would mean him going apart, like in pieces, you need to DODGE Tsunade. Juubo does not even have information on Tsunade and he will try to block her like vs Raikage and end up missing half his body... Kabuto even had information on her and the way she fights.

Not just that, but if Juugo was to absorb her like he did that samurai, it wouldn't matter what sort of healing abilities she has.

Pff this again. If only he would have tryied that on Raikage :P... He has NO feats here. Show me him abosorbing Kage level or this is irrelevant... Absorbing some dudes on the ground is irrelevant. Tsunade is not going to go to sleep on the ground so he can do that to her.

Heck, his chakra blast would do plenty of damage.

I can't w8 for you to show me who and how much damage this thing as done to. I hope you where not just asuming right?

And he would be able to outlast Tsunade in the chakra department

Considering she had enough to heal an entire village this would be a no.
By giving her chakra to that summon of course.

After that, Juugo would only have to last five to ten minutes before Tsunade loses the ability to fight back and then it would be like taking candy from a baby.

Yeah but to bad Tsunade ends this from the first punch (that Juugo is going to try to block) by turning him into paste.

Considering Kabuto can heal like crazy(not as good as Juugo of course) and 1 hit would kill him Juugo is going to find himself in pieces after the first punch:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...4/page003.html

[Rikudou King]

When Sasuke was exhausted his Susano reverted back to riblet only Susano, the same version that Raikage made a crack in. it was the same thing. Sasuke only had enough chakra to sustain that level of Susano(that is the first level of it, there is none lower, any lower and it just disapears).

You missed the point. When Ee broke the riblets, Sasuke was healthy and had plenty of chakra. when Mei melted the riblets, Sasuke was exhausted and his chakra was weakening. Even then, the riblets were still physically up and mostly protecting Sasuke. What Ee was able to do and what Mei was able to do were completely different things.

And then i stated he was not just stating still... He used a special moved, Raiga Bomber... I never stated its not valid ... Also then i stated how this move involves more muscles and more effort to perform then a leg hit from Tsunade.

I suppose I misunderstood. Still, Ee did it while standing still. And how exactly is Tsunade jumping and gathering chakra in her foot less effort then what Ee did?

Orochimaru uses a special tech to transfer himself over to another person. Its like recording a disc when you already have a disc in the other slot. Now try to record that disc if you don't have a copy on hand.
If you want more info on this you can go here:
http://www.myfitbrain.com/blog/index...mical-release/
Regenerating damaged brain cells would not give you your memories back. Expecialy when your brain is turned to paste. Still Tsunade has no need to kill him, just to incapacitate him.

The thing is, it isn't like Orochimaru recorded his memories on something else. Sasuke didn't have his memories. He was existing as just chakra inside Sasuke. Not just that, but both Minato and Kushina wee able to use chakra to contain their memories. so we actually have several examples that it's possible to have memories without a physical brain. So if that's possible, then actually regenerating the brain with all the memories shouldn't be much harder.

Tsunade had problems back then, problems that she would not have now. She failed because of the blood thing. Also that guy is Kakashi level... When she got her mind in the game she was blasting Oro about (yes no hands). Even Naruto is still technically a genin... Is he a wimp to?
Tsunade back then was in bad shape. Drinking and other stuff. Also her motivation was crep. Will power = win (Naruto and J man's words).

j man stating the dude is on Kakashi level:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...5/page015.html

First off, the blood issue didn't come into play at all during her fight with Kabuto. That didn't happen until after their fight was basically over, when Naruto and gang arrived. So her doing so badly against Kabuto can't be blamed on that. Secondly, she was motivated when she was fighting Kabuto. She had her whole epiphany about feelings and stuff that began the fight. And doesn't Tsunade still drink and stuff? I highly doubt the impact of such things were great enough to impair her abilities in the fight yet not so great that they would play no part just three years later. Kabuto did have stats similar to Kakashi (only lower thus the reason I considered him a mid level Jounin), but his speed was the same as Tsunade. It wasn't as if he was using a bunch of techniques to avoid her. All he was using was his own speed and agility. Even later on in the fight against Orochimaru, Tsunade only achieved her hit because Orochimaru gave her something to grab. And she only manage to take him out for a few moments.

The reason I pointed out that Kabuto was technically a genin is the fact that people are remarking about Tsunade being a Hokage and sannin as if that automatically means everything. If titles are gonna be used to decide something, then the fact remains that this Hokage and sannin couldn't even beat a genin.

Ashamed? Nop, defenetly not. A feat of anything? Defenely not. Getting completly owend even by Rikudo would be no feat of anything.

How is being able to avoid cloak Kirabi's speed and shield against and survive two blows from cloaked Ee not feats? Kirabi and Ee are considerably faster and better skilled then Tsunade and Juugo wasn't instantly killed against them. So why the assumption that he would be against Tsunade?

Because she never had her mind in the game. After she decided to fight she released that seal and she still had lots of chakra left. She continued into beating Oro to a pulp(no hand yes), jumping around with a huge ass sword, summoning a huge thing etc. Also Kabuto=Kakashi>Juugo (Kakashi for sure, Kabuto not sure).

She did have her mind in the game. She was fully determined to kill Orochimaru when the fight began. She didn't have "lots" of chakra left. The whole point of the seal was to make use of the chakra she had been storing up for years. That was a 10+ years boost of chakra. And it only gave her a boost for a while. She punched Orochimaru once and torn his face. While jumping in the air with Gamabunta's blade was quite impressive, that really doesn't matter in this fight. She won't have any giant weapons to toss around and her opponent won't be distanced by another fight.

Much faster? How so? Need some proof here. Better offensive? How so? They where able to do 0 damage to the peeps he targeded (Kage level). Shield or not Juugo has no feats on those weapons of his.

Juugo was fast enough to avoid cloak Kirabi's rush and fast enough to catch Sasuke before he landed. Juugo's transformations are incredibly powerful. They were able to not just create craters, but incredibility big craters. Not to mention his chakra blast. Juugo didn't do any damage because Kirabi and Ee were fast enough to avoid them, the same won't apply with Tsunade. And for the record, if you're only counting actual shown damage, the same would apply to Tsunade.

And Konohamaru would have enough speed to try and block a punch from Rikudo himself but he will still recive it in his face ... big deal...

What? Juugo did block Ee's punch, it just wasn't able to actually stop Ee's attack. Juugo did that against an enhanced Ee, so he can more then do it against Tsunade.

Juugo bloking 1 attack from Tsunade would mean him going apart, like in pieces, you need to DODGE Tsunade. Juubo does not even have information on Tsunade and he will try to block her like vs Raikage and end up missing half his body... Kabuto even had information on her and the way she fights.

Where was that ever shown? Tsunade punched Orochimaru and he didn't "go to pieces". At the very most, I could see something like with Kirabi's tackles, that causes the part of the body hit to burst open. But I seriously doubt that Tsunade's punch would make Juugo explode or anything. Maybe lose an arm or something, but it's noting that would stop Juugo.

Pff this again. If only he would have tryied that on Raikage :P... He has NO feats here. Show me him abosorbing Kage level or this is irrelevant... Absorbing some dudes on the ground is irrelevant. Tsunade is not going to go to sleep on the ground so he can do that to her.

Why would it matter who the opponent is? The point is that Juugo has shown the ability to actually absorb a person to heal himself. I never claimed it would be used in actual battle, but it's a good option for when Tsunade has worn herself out and can't fight like normal. If she uses her seal, then she will end up out of it on the ground eventually.

I can't w8 for you to show me who and how much damage this thing as done to. I hope you where not just asuming right?

His blast created a large crater and sheered right into the buildings cleanly.

Considering she had enough to heal an entire village this would be a no.
By giving her chakra to that summon of course.

Actually, yeah. We know that her punches/kicks and healing techniques take quite a lot of chakra, so even with excellent control she's gonna be using quite a bit even with her seal being taken into account.

Yeah but to bad Tsunade ends this from the first punch (that Juugo is going to try to block) by turning him into paste.

Considering Kabuto can heal like crazy(not as good as Juugo of course) and 1 hit would kill him Juugo is going to find himself in pieces after the first punch:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...4/page003.html

Considering we have seen Tsunade punch an actual person and it didn't do anything like that, I seriously doubt this would end at the first punch. Not only that, but Kabuto was able to dodge and avoid her just fine. Juugo is faster and can enhance his own physical attacks to do just as much damage as Tsunade and Ee have shown. His body is already quite durable enough to take a direct attack plus he can create armor to lessen the impact. So I see no reason why Juugo couldn't take this, especially since to do anything Tsunade's gonna rush straight at him. At the very least, he takes her out with his chakra blast.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

You missed the point. When Ee broke the riblets, Sasuke was healthy and had plenty of chakra. when Mei melted the riblets, Sasuke was exhausted and his chakra was weakening. Even then, the riblets were still physically up and mostly protecting Sasuke. What Ee was able to do and what Mei was able to do were completely different things.

No i have not. Can you prove that Susano get's weaker as one get's close to no chakra? As long as Sasuke can hold up riblets mode its just as powerfull as when he was at 100%. Itachi used his(when he was close to 0 chakra) to stop Kirin and then put it all up again.

I suppose I misunderstood. Still, Ee did it while standing still. And how exactly is Tsunade jumping and gathering chakra in her foot less effort then what Ee did?

Because Tsunade for the most part only has to use that leg or 1 punch. Raikage needs to put his entire body into it.

the thing is, it isn't like Orochimaru recorded his memories on something else. Sasuke didn't have his memories. He was existing as just chakra inside Sasuke. Not just that, but both Minato and Kushina wee able to use chakra to contain their memories. so we actually have several examples that it's possible to have memories without a physical brain. So if that's possible, then actually regenerating the brain with all the memories shouldn't be much harder.

I am sure that is some special tech to transfer you knowledge trough chakra (that is energy and enrgy can transfer information). If juugo could make some seals to store his mind or something perhaps but i am not going to asume you can smash Juugo down to his chakra and then he is going to regenerate back memories and all. He had to eat those samurais to reform. Also he can't replace lost mass, we got to see that when he had to heal Sasuke.

First off, the blood issue didn't come into play at all during her fight with Kabuto. That didn't happen until after their fight was basically over, when Naruto and gang arrived. So her doing so badly against Kabuto can't be blamed on that.

Exacly when she was about to smash his face in. He wa already in that tech of hers and she had healed herself up. I am not going to say he was not able to dodge her around but eventualy she would have beat him down. Not only that he run out of chakra and had to use pils, she could keep on fighting and then even move to Oro himself and keep fighting.

Secondly, she was motivated when she was fighting Kabuto. She had her whole epiphany about feelings and stuff that began the fight.

She only got her mind in the game after she saved Naruto. At that point she received and aknoledged her will of fire. Up to that moment was her fighting and not really having something to back her up. Because of Naruto and that will of fire she was able to even overcome her fear of blood.

And doesn't Tsunade still drink and stuff?

I don't think a cage could be drunk 90% of the time :P
Also i am sure she is training now.

Also Tsunade is not the fasters fighters that is true but 1 hit and you are dead. I never got to see Juugo moving fast as Sasuke so this is irrelevant. She defenetly can keep up with him. He is also going to try to block like vs Raikage and he is dead the moment that happeneds.

In your first link he only dodged Bee because he could see him coming a mile away and he used those jets to move out of the way. In a close fight there is no way in hell he can dodge Bee like Sasuke...
The second one is bad, really bad. Sasuke was already coming coming his way he just jumped up.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page012.html
top right corner.

You also show me creating creaters? Have a look at Bee lol... He has no damage at all.
He also jumps here from behind when Raikage was directing his atention to some other guy and he still missed:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page015.html

A direct punch that made a creater in Bee's face made 0 damage ...

You can also see Raikage inside the blast but he comes out with 0 damage:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page005.html

In this link:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page001.html
He only block because he knew from where Raikage was coming, the first punch hit Juugo before he could even blink. This is like reflex when you cover your face. He just put his hands up...

Where was that ever shown? Tsunade punched Orochimaru and he didn't "go to pieces". At the very most, I could see something like with Kirabi's tackles, that causes the part of the body hit to burst open. But I seriously doubt that Tsunade's punch would make Juugo explode or anything. Maybe lose an arm or something, but it's noting that would stop Juugo.

Orochimaru is a damn monster, the Kyuubi cut him in half and he put himself back togeder. 1 hit from Tsunade can kill Kabuto. There is no way in hell Juugo has durability anywhere close to Orochimaru.. I would love to see him getting hit and ripped in half by the Kyuubi and putting himself back togeder(and this was Oro with a body that was going to faill on him).

Why would it matter who the opponent is? The point is that Juugo has shown the ability to actually absorb a person to heal himself. I never claimed it would be used in actual battle, but it's a good option for when Tsunade has worn herself out and can't fight like normal. If she uses her seal, then she will end up out of it on the ground eventually.

For him to absorb Tsunade he will first need to incapacitate her. If he does that he won anyway.

His blast created a large crater and sheered right into the buildings cleanly.

And again more buldings ... If we go with this Sakura would be the best fighter in the manga ... Raikage had 0 damage after that blast.

Considering we have seen Tsunade punch an actual person and it didn't do anything like that, I seriously doubt this would end at the first punch. Not only that, but Kabuto was able to dodge and avoid her just fine. Juugo is faster and can enhance his own physical attacks to do just as much damage as Tsunade and Ee have shown. His body is already quite durable enough to take a direct attack plus he can create armor to lessen the impact. So I see no reason why Juugo couldn't take this, especially since to do anything Tsunade's gonna rush straight at him. At the very least, he takes her out with his chakra blast.

Kabuto is way more skilled and knows how to fight. Kabuto can dodge Tsunade way better then Juugo. Juugo is like some damn animal. He goes in charging and screeming and trying to take stuff down with brute force. He also never dodged even 1 punch from Kage level fighters. Again using gets to jump out of the way when he could see Bee coming a mile away is =/= him able to dodge him.

[Rikudou King]

No i have not. Can you prove that Susano get's weaker as one get's close to no chakra? As long as Sasuke can hold up riblets mode its just as powerfull as when he was at 100%. Itachi used his(when he was close to 0 chakra) to stop Kirin and then put it all up again.

Yeah, a clear difference was shown between Sasuke's Susanoo before his chakra weaken and after. Before it was barely affected and none of the mist reached Sasuke. Afterward the melting was much greater and the mist was able to reach Sasuke's arm. How was Itachi close to zero? Itachi still had chakra left to use Susanoo and implant the Amaterasu trap inside Sasuke. His problem wasn't chakra, it was his blindness and the lost of life force.

Because Tsunade for the most part only has to use that leg or 1 punch. Raikage needs to put his entire body into it.

Tsunade had to jump in the air and swing her leg down. That would have taken just as much effort.

I am sure that is some special tech to transfer you knowledge trough chakra (that is energy and enrgy can transfer information). If juugo could make some seals to store his mind or something perhaps but i am not going to asume you can smash Juugo down to his chakra and then he is going to regenerate back memories and all. He had to eat those samurais to reform. Also he can't replace lost mass, we got to see that when he had to heal Sasuke.

Except that Orochimaru couldn't have used a seal or anything when he was absorbed by Sasuke. Anyway, my point was that considering the fact that chakra can contain memories, you can't assume that a damage brain couldn't regenerate with it's memories back. I would say it's questionable about the mass, considering Juugo has actually given himself more mass on several occasions. More then likely, it's simply that he can't retain that gained mass.

Exacly when she was about to smash his face in. He wa already in that tech of hers and she had healed herself up. I am not going to say he was not able to dodge her around but eventualy she would have beat him down. Not only that he run out of chakra and had to use pils, she could keep on fighting and then even move to Oro himself and keep fighting.

No, Kabuto went on the offensive before her. It was only the arrival of Naruto and co that stopped him. Even then, even with his movements slowed by Tsunade's technique, he was still able to act before her afterwards. Eventually? I really doubt that she would have been able to catch him. If she couldn't do it before she was exhausted, there's little chance she would have managed while she was exhausted. And Kabuto wasn't running out of chakra, cause he hadn't use any chakra yet. And let's not forget that Kabuto wasn't fighting to kill, so he was holding back. He could have finished her had he wanted.

She only got her mind in the game after she saved Naruto. At that point she received and aknoledged her will of fire. Up to that moment was her fighting and not really having something to back her up. Because of Naruto and that will of fire she was able to even overcome her fear of blood.

[1][2][3][4][5][6] She had remembered their dreams and became determined to beat Orochimaru. She had her mind in the game when the fight began. The only thing that happen afterwards was overcoming her fear of blood, which wasn't a issue then.

I don't think a cage could be drunk 90% of the time :P
Also i am sure she is training now.

Also Tsunade is not the fasters fighters that is true but 1 hit and you are dead. I never got to see Juugo moving fast as Sasuke so this is irrelevant. She defenetly can keep up with him. He is also going to try to block like vs Raikage and he is dead the moment that happeneds.

In your first link he only dodged Bee because he could see him coming a mile away and he used those jets to move out of the way. In a close fight there is no way in hell he can dodge Bee like Sasuke...
The second one is bad, really bad. Sasuke was already coming coming his way he just jumped up.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page012.html
top right corner.

You also show me creating creaters? Have a look at Bee lol... He has no damage at all.
He also jumps here from behind when Raikage was directing his atention to some other guy and he still missed:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page015.html

A direct punch that made a creater in Bee's face made 0 damage ...

You can also see Raikage inside the blast but he comes out with 0 damage:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page005.html

In this link:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page001.html
He only block because he knew from where Raikage was coming, the first punch hit Juugo before he could even blink. This is like reflex when you cover your face. He just put his hands up...

Where was it ever implied that before Tsunade became Hokage she was drunk 90% of the time? Still we actually saw that Tsunade can go off to drink. Tsunade wouldn't have any time to train and there was never any hints that she would even if she could. One hit doesn't necessarily mean he would be dead and Juugo wouldn't have to move as fast as Sasuke to avoid Tsunade. He would simply have to be as fast as Kabuto to stand a good chance of being able to dodge and avoid her attacks. Why would Juugo be dead from blocking?

True Juugo had forewarning, but he still manage to grab the rest of the team and create jets to avoid a cloaked Kirabi. So Juugo would be able to avoid Tsunade rushing at him or dropping from up high, considering she wouldn't have the same level of speed that Kirabi had. Sasuke wasn't actually coming his way. Sasuke was gonna land on the edge of the lake and Juugo rushed forward from some distance back to catch him. Yeah, Kirabi took no damage because he was fast enough to dodge the first time and then Shunshin'd away to the other mountain the second. Ee wasn't inside the blast. There's no sign of him. He had Shunshin'd to the right and camed back to blitz Juugo after the blast. And Juugo didn't just put a hand up, he created a layered shield to block Ee's fist. Anyway, the point is that while Kirabi an Ee weren't in trouble from Juugo, that was due to their far greater speed, something that Tsunade doesn't have. She's not gonna be doing like the brothers and avoiding Juugo's attacks with speed.

Orochimaru is a damn monster, the Kyuubi cut him in half and he put himself back togeder. 1 hit from Tsunade can kill Kabuto. There is no way in hell Juugo has durability anywhere close to Orochimaru.. I would love to see him getting hit and ripped in half by the Kyuubi and putting himself back togeder(and this was Oro with a body that was going to faill on him).

True that Orochimaru's a monster when it comes to survival. But it isn't as of he can't be injured. It's simply he can create a whole new body out of his injured one. But the injuries he takes on his body aren't lessen or anything. So if Tsunade's punches could really "blow" someone apart, that would have happen with Orochimaru, instead of him simply taking some facial damage. Juugo may not be as durable as Orochimaru, but he's far more durable then Kabuto. Juugo may not be able to put himself together if cut in half, but he doesn't actually need to for this fight. Juugo only needs enough durability to withstand a strong physical attack. Juugo had a hole in his arm and chest which didn't stop him and even being blitzed into a wall from a distances didn't kill him. So there's no reason he couldn't survive a punch from Tsunade.

For him to absorb Tsunade he will first need to incapacitate her. If he does that he won anyway.

Or strike when Tsunade is preoccupied with something else, such as healing herself.

And again more buldings ... If we go with this Sakura would be the best fighter in the manga ... Raikage had 0 damage after that blast.

Ee wasn't in the blast. Tsunade's not gonna avoid the attack by dodging it like Ee.

Kabuto is way more skilled and knows how to fight. Kabuto can dodge Tsunade way better then Juugo. Juugo is like some damn animal. He goes in charging and screeming and trying to take stuff down with brute force. He also never dodged even 1 punch from Kage level fighters. Again using gets to jump out of the way when he could see Bee coming a mile away is =/= him able to dodge him.

Juugo knows how to fight too. Juugo was able to avoid and block attacks from ninjas far faster then Tsunade, there's no reason he can't do the same against her. Juugo doesn't always go charging and screaming in. He had enough reasoning to attack Kirabi from behind twice. So Juugo can come up with some tactics. And Juugo has enough power and durability to succeed at attacking with brute force. Juugo was able to block Ee and getting out of Kirabi's way was an act of dodging. While he benefited from Kirabi being farther away, Kirabi had much greater speed to make it relative. The fact remains that the disadvantages that Juugo had against Kirabi and Ee won't be present in a fight with Tsunade. She's not gonna be blitzing him or avoiding his attacks with her speed.

[Aki1991]

@ rikudo king

i floged a dead horse in the other threats with you

but your opinion in this threat is really absurd

tsuande was not able to fight in the sannin fight, because of her psych. status

she tanked several sword damage and was able to heal herself after all, do you really think, she can not tank juugo O_o

she can summon the slug to tank damage, too imo

i do not see juugo having a gloitch of a chance against the slug or tsunade, she can cut his nerv cords and after this, juugo would be helpless and not able to move, tsunade could go for some tea in this time and could come back and own him with ease

it is really absurd, how some peple underestimate tsunade after all, because of the sannin fight, where all three of them were handycaped

ah, besides, kabto was kakashi level, it is not that he was an easy oponnent

juugo is fodder, tsunade is kage level

this is a difference in power level

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

At first i wanted to post a 30 minutes posts but then i relized that i would be wasting my time. Don't you find it funny that you are the only one debating for Juugo?

Oh end this ends the fight:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page009.html

He has about 0% chanses of winning this.