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    Rin's Desire

    In chapter 13, Mephisto makes a rather cryptic speech...

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    There are still many things you need to learn about yourself... Starting with what you desire...
    - Mephisto Pheles (chapter 13 page 39)
    So, what is it that Rin desires? I'm just hoping that it doesn't turn out to be some shounen cliche, something to do with nakama/friends and protecting those around him. I think it will be something much darker than that, though (I trust Katou-sensei!). I think it will probably involve Rin having an internal battle between his human side and his demon side.

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    I do agree with you that Rin will need to overcome himself in order to grow. I think about his desire, however, is that he doesn't really have one. Part of the first chapter was analyzing how Rin never really knew where his life was going or anything. He has the same issue that pretty much all teenagers do. He doesn't know what lies in store for him in the future. Probably even doubly so as he does have this demon side to him that he doesn't fully understand.

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    I think Mephisto meant that Rin needs to have a good desire than actually having one.. At the moment, I think Rin does not realize yet what it is that he really desire himself.

    As for being cliche. For me, after the baddass priest being possessed then k****d, verything is moving pretty much like a normal shounen manga cliche. It does not bother me though.. As long as he keeps (a) a good story (b) that fantastic art!

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    Agreed with everyone so far.

    I think Mephisto may have been referring to Rin either becoming the savior of Assiah or a demon king of Gehenna. Rin doesn't want to be a demon, but he has to control his impulses. That's what it means when he's consumed by his flames. His impulses aren't a separate entity, it's him and it isn't new to him. Now it's worse if he looses control of those impulses.

    What does Rin want in the end? I dunno. I think the shounen cliche most likely, but I always leave room for surprises.
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    Re: Rin's Desire

    I think his desire is to stand on his own without the use of the son of satan or the son of a famous exorcist. Rin strikes me of being that type of person so that can be his desire.

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    I dont think he desires anything more then what Naruto does. I mean if u look at it , its nearly the same plot where the protagonist seems to have some omnipotent power that allows him/her to do the impossible hence attracting attention which they otherwise didnt have seeing as they were treated as outcasts .

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    Heh, great minds think alike. I agree that Mephisto thinks Rin should have a goal, something he really wants to achieve. Actually, Rin wants to become a paladin, but maybe there's something more to this desire. Like making Shiro proud, being someone respected, having people trust him, proving himself to be a good person or something like that.

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    Probably what everyone seems to be saying i agree with ^^ its more that Mephisto thinks he needs to find a goal, something he needs to do, apart from that, i think he might get the wanting to protect people but rather it seems Sheimi is the one who always gets this protection, i almost used up my fingers at the number of times she got in trouble and Rin came for her, at least though unlike other shonen girl she is useful without the hyper power xD

    i think in the end he will have a set of goals;
    Making up with his friends (right now),
    Overcoming and controlling his demon side,
    Using alternate powers rather than only the blue flame,
    Protecting Sheimi (lets face it these two are bound together) and capturing her heart haha,
    becoming a Paladin and not be discriminated for his demon side,
    and of course the ultimate goal;
    Defeating Satan.

    I think he will learn to trust in his friends and wont be always "i will protect them at all cost" rather "i will stand by their side and fight" i think he'll protect only Sheimi since he seems attracted to her to show her.

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    I wonder if the desire that Mephisto was referring to is actually the desire of the demon in Rin, and not the desire of the human in Rin. If that's the case, then what is desired would be rather different. The human in Rin probably yearns to be accepted by the people around him, since he was always feared for his brute strength before he came to the academy. But I don't think that the demon in Rin would wish for the same thing.

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    Guys, Rin IS a demon. He's a demon in a human body that's uniquely suited to him. This is why his powers aren't watered down, he inherited all of Satan's powers, not half of them. But Rin is a kind guy at heart, even more kind then the people around him. That will be the reason why Rin won't have as much of a conscious conflict.

    However, he already does have a conflict in that he's driven by his impulses sometimes. He becomes completely controlled by them, or consumed by his flames. It's just like how he beat up the kids at day care, he relentlessly went after them. That's why when he first got out of control, he remembered that incident and was afraid.

    Now, later on, something might happen to split Rin into his demon impulses and his kind self. The inevitable shounen cliches would happen, but I trust Kazue in her impeccable delivery.
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    Re: Rin's Desire

    Quote Originally Posted by earthforge View Post
    Guys, Rin IS a demon. He's a demon in a human body that's uniquely suited to him. This is why his powers aren't watered down, he inherited all of Satan's powers, not half of them. But Rin is a kind guy at heart, even more kind then the people around him. That will be the reason why Rin won't have as much of a conscious conflict.

    However, he already does have a conflict in that he's driven by his impulses sometimes. He becomes completely controlled by them, or consumed by his flames. It's just like how he beat up the kids at day care, he relentlessly went after them. That's why when he first got out of control, he remembered that incident and was afraid.

    Now, later on, something might happen to split Rin into his demon impulses and his kind self. The inevitable shounen cliches would happen, but I trust Kazue in her impeccable delivery.
    To say the truth shonen cliche arent bad, i know we've seen it over again and again but what makes the artist really good is the new and incredible way they deliver this cliche making it totally awesome and kind of a new cliche type, dont know if im making myself clear xD

    Rin i still a kid in a way so i think it might also be a shonen on how he will first find his true desire as right now it is centered on two things
    1-making people (and right now his friends) accept him for who he is not who his relatives are
    2-defeating Satan

    but he has other smaller desires and Kazue shows us that all in all, demon or not, Rin is a good natured kid who loves his friends, a healthy young boy with a big problem.

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    Re: Rin's Desire

    Quote Originally Posted by Sai_the_Shaman View Post
    I do agree with you that Rin will need to overcome himself in order to grow. I think about his desire, however, is that he doesn't really have one. Part of the first chapter was analyzing how Rin never really knew where his life was going or anything. He has the same issue that pretty much all teenagers do. He doesn't know what lies in store for him in the future. Probably even doubly so as he does have this demon side to him that he doesn't fully understand.
    It's not just the teens with this issue! XD

    But yea I think it's something more related to his demon side when Mephesto says this. I don't think it'll be the total cliche thing I can't imagine a character like Mephesto giving a crap about Rin's intentions for his friends' I think it'll be more on two perspectives and maybe Mephesto is hoping that inside Rin there is a desire to overthrow satan and rule genna from his natural instincts but Rin wouldn't know that so maybe there'll be more developments in relation to demon instinct and Rin getting past them.....?

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