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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Byakuya with ease
Byakuya with difficulty
Shunsui with ease
Shunsui with difficulty
If Starrk actually tried, he would have walked all over Shunsui, so he must have been taking it easy? lol I think Shunsui is a bit underestimated here but it's hard to argue on such subjective basis, so I'll leave it at that.
who ever said stark would have walked all over shunsui? It's the fact that stark did not even attempt to chase shunsui seriously implies that he was not being serious. It has nothing to do with shunsui being underestimated.
Why chase him when he had Shunsui on the run from cero? That doesn't make much sense to do. Neither was 'serious', if you want to get technical. Starrk was hiding his wolves and Shunsui called him out on it. Starrk was hiding his abilities and Shunsui wasn't even using two of his- IN SHIKAI! Starrk was trying to get Shunsui to go bankai, how is that not giving effort? WW came in then the tables turned. Starrk got a shot... Shunsui came back with his own. This has little to do against Byakuya though, so why the discussion? I'd say he has enough to do just fine against Byakuya and his petals.
Byakuya's Senkei and Cicada would be too much for Shunsui even with Irooni.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; May 16, 2011 at 02:05 PM.
You can only cut a COLOR YOU CALL OUT. Where did you miss that rule? 100 or 1000 swords make no difference if you can't even affect him.
Shunsui with shikai could win this but it definitely won't be easy. Byakuya has just about the right tools and neccessary abilities to compete with Shunsui, and not only him but, other higher tiers as well. I just think Shunsui's overall experience gives him the edge in this match. Byakuya's calm demeanor could fustrate Shunsui somewhat, not to the extent to have him worried though. Both are highly skilled, and both are proficient in Shunpo, Hoho, Kido and such areas. "I personally believe Byakuya is faster".
As far as zanpakuto abilities go, Shunsui's are hax. Byakuya's are versatile. I don't see games like Takeoni and Bushogoma working on Byakuya, at all, but Irooni and Kageoni will prove worthy. Definitely Kageoni. Not so much of Irooni though, in ways it can help him, but this could also be the demise of Shunsui most likely. Imo Irooni comes down to greater tactics and swordskills /Zanjutsu.
That's what's going to determine this match imo.
Last edited by Crystal Black; May 16, 2011 at 02:47 PM.
Byakuya doesn't know the rules of the games so saying it'll come to swordsmanship in irooni is a moot point. It's not down to swordsmanship but whoever calls the right color at the right time. Seeing as how Shunsui goes first, it should be over in the first swing.
Hmm, you seem to think Irooni restricts defense and solely relies on color calling and durability, lol. I don't think that's the case. Unless you could provide some panels of such. Byakuya could and should react accordingly. Byakuya's aslo perceptive and observant of his opponent if you think Byakuya won't notice Shunsui calling out a color in mid battle (wierd) in Byakuya's case then your mistaking.
ShootToKill said "I maintain that Starrk was much faster than Shunsui, but his heart wasn't in the fight" which implied Starrk would have walked over Shunsui if he was serious. I don't want to put words in ShootToKill's mouth, so if I misunderstood him, he can post a reply.
I disagreed with the idea that Shunsui was doing his best to survive against Starrk who was taking it easy, this is why I said "they were both serious." In response, you said "I doubt stark was more serious than shunsui or vice versa" which was basically equal to saying "they're both serious" in the context of the discussion.
Since you say "I think all we can conclude is at that level of seriousness (not very high) they were both on par", it seems you agree that Starrk (sealed) is on par with Shunsui (sealed) which is my main point.
You're both ignoring the facts, Shunsui doesn't have to give the rules. Where in the world did any of you think about that? You didn't. You're ignoring facts like how he told Starrk he planned on giving him hints. All that the statement is saying is that heres something to give you a chance, and the statement you're talking about is you can cut a color I call. There was nothing stated that he would be able to. Starrk couldn't cut 'black' before Shunsui killed him, Shunsui was too fast or too cunning. The same scenario plays out here.
Just wanted to ask do people think the person calling the colour is turn based?
As in player1 calls a colour and both are able to damage the other with that colour BUT the next colour must be called by player2?
Also that the new colour cannot be called untill someone takes damage with the current colour?
It's highly unlikely he'll do that against form 1 SBK.