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    Re: Byakuya vs Shunsui

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    Except Irooni is a damage altering game whereas Kageoni is not. Kageoni doesn't put stringent restrictions on how you deal damage, it just gives you another option (shadows). Irooni literally FORCES you to alter your damage output with every attack...
    I dont think its explicitly stated in the manga in a way to be used as undeniable proof that Irooni FORCES only a specific type of damage.

    Starrk pulled out his rieatsu swords before Irooni was put into play to counter a charging Shunsui in close combat. Shunsui only explained the rules of Irooni when Starrk was ALREADY holding his swords in his hands. Shunsui did not state cutting techniques were ONLY allowed and there was no sign of Starrk trying to pull out his wolves or guns but was prevented to.

    For all we know Starrk could have tried to best Shunsui in a sword battle since...heck he already them in his hands....and was going toe-to-toe till the final blow.

    Its inconclusive either way Id say.
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    Re: Byakuya vs Shunsui

    Quote Originally Posted by CeroOskuraz View Post
    Except Irooni is a damage altering game whereas Kageoni is not. Kageoni doesn't put stringent restrictions on how you deal damage, it just gives you another option (shadows). Irooni literally FORCES you to alter your damage output with every attack...
    That's the things though, Shunsui only said this "Strike a different colour, and you won't be able to cut it no matter how you try." He never said that cutting damage is the only type of damage that can be done while playing Iro oni.

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    Re: Byakuya vs Shunsui

    Ah, Okay I see. Sorry bout' that then. i don't really know what I'm talking about lol

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    Re: Byakuya vs Shunsui

    He says you can cut all you want nothing will happen. You can only cut the color you call out. Just because it's not explained thoroughly doesn't mean there's something left. And @you Takahashi- you're grasping at Straws if you think Starrk was going to do something different than what was already shown. The 'finishing blow' was going to be wolves. He had used the wolves to great affect on them already. What else was he going to do? The story had to move on, so Starrk lands on a pole creating a shadow for Shunsui to use! There's nothing in the story that suggests Starrk was going to use some other technique or move to finish Love and Rose. I'm grasping at straws but you have nothing to go on with your theory! Shunsui canceled that 'finishing blow' by Forcing Starrk to play his games. He jumped off the shadow and was no longer playing Kageoni. He drew swords out because Shunsui was on a charge. That much is accepted, but how do you get the idea he was going to use some different attack? And how do you figure Shunsui didn't force Starrk into a game? The same can be done to Byakuya, whom many believe isn't Starrk's equal. But yet he's supposed to somehow fare better than him?

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    Re: Byakuya vs Shunsui

    I wasn't planning on responding to this, but.....

    freshseth, do you know what "grasping at straws" means?

    I suggest you look it up, because when you openly admit to doing so, you destroy your argument, especially when you've been so insistent that your argument is fact.

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    Re: Byakuya vs Shunsui

    You must've read wrong. I said you claimed I was grasping at straws but you come back with a flawed argument based on nothing. You think Starrk wasn't going to use his wolves to 'finish off' Love and Rose, where do you get that from? How am I grasping at straws? Do you know what the word rhetoric means? I suggest you look it up. I said this: I'm grasping at straws but you have nothing to go on with your theory! I'm quoting you, not admitting what you state. I was being sarcastic if you didn't catch it.
    Last edited by freshseth83; June 25, 2011 at 12:26 AM.

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