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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Yukimura's speed should be higher, he was able to adjust to TnMk shots, at least 4 or 3,5.
    Speed isn't the only factor required to return TnMk shots. Nothing suggests that he's faster than Tezuka.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    No 3rd Year in Rikkai can be at a 2,5 in Power I think.
    All at 3 at least.

    Remember Yagyuu, Niou, Marui and Jackal, dont remember with Kirihara, wear power wrists weights.
    Remember Marui and Jackal were hitting back Momoshiro's shots, who by the Regional Finals was established as a guy who could hit powerful shots.

    ---------- Post added at 03:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:39 PM ----------

    Sanada at 4,5 for Technique. FuuRinKaZanRai is amazing. It destroys nearly every MSer. There are seriously few who can last against it.
    I dont think he is the same as Marui.

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    Fuji Shusuke needs a 4 for Mental. He cant be at 3,5.
    He is a genius. He is just seemingly pathetic as a character right now in SPoT.
    I believe his Mental is slightly above Shiraishi's its just that Shiraishi is physically superior to him so Shiraishi was able to break him.
    Just because they can return Momo's shots doesn't mean they are above the average in power. Fuji has 2,5 in power (average) and he would beat Momo any day.

    Sanada's tech raised!

    Fuji mental reaised too, I wasn't sure about his stats but no one mencioned it.
    Should I raise Oshitari's mental too?
    Last edited by Hardy; June 18, 2012 at 05:12 PM.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    Speed isn't the only factor required to return TnMk shots. Nothing suggests that he's faster than Tezuka.
    You ever see Tezuka chase after a shot? No.
    You see Yukimura chase after what was practically two balls far away from each other within one point? Yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    Just because they can return Momo's shots doesn't mean they are above the average in power. Fuji has 2,5 in power (average) and he would beat Momo any day.
    In this series, Superior Technique > Power. I dont really see marui and Jackal as guys with superior technique. They must have some kind of strength to be returning Momo's shots with freaking wrist weights on. With ease aswell as they hammered Kaidoh/Momo 6-1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    Fuji mental reaised too, I wasn't sure about his stats but no one mencioned it.
    Should I raise Oshitari's mental too?
    I would like you to, but I question Momoshiro's Mental stat who he shut down.

    Oshitari Yushi needs another match. Awesome character from what we were shown.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    We don't know, but Tezuka's faster because of tenimuhou (aura). Yukimura is fast without using any aura, he could be way faster than he is if he achieved one. I don't think Tezuka, without aura, is faster than Yuki. Yuki perfectly returned Rai that is also a fast shot, Tezuka couldn't.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    I dont really see marui and Jackal as guys with superior technique.
    Given how precise the Myougi shots are, I would say Marui's Technique is quite good.

    Even with good technique, you need power too to return strong shots, or else we wouldn't always get those power player matches.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Given how precise the Myougi shots are, I would say Marui's Technique is quite good.

    Even with good technique, you need power too to return strong shots, or else we wouldn't always get those power player matches.
    Good point on technique. Marui's technique must be great. I dont remember why he needs to eat cake though. I think his stamina is low or something.
    And yeah, he and Jackal definetely have some kind of power.

    Niou's power stat is like the same as Fuji's or possibly less though. Shiraishi!Niou did a smash that Fuji was able to stop with Higuma Otoshi. So his Strength cant be higher than Fuji's.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Good point on technique. Marui's technique must be great. I dont remember why he needs to eat cake though. I think his stamina is low or something.
    And yeah, he and Jackal definetely have some kind of power.
    The cake thing was only in the anime iirc, and I don't believe it was mentioned in the databooks or PPs either (I might be wrong about that one though, I don't remember his entries very well).

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Niou's power stat is like the same as Fuji's or possibly less though. Shiraishi!Niou did a smash that Fuji was able to stop with Higuma Otoshi. So his Strength cant be higher than Fuji's.
    I wouldn't necessarily say that. While I agree that power is a factor in returning shots, I'd also say that there is some leeway. So for example, even though Krauser's power is higher than Atobe's, Atobe should still be able to return Krauser's shots. It's hard to say how large the gap has to be for someone to get overpowered, but I'd say maybe 2 points or so.

    Also that's when talking about their nationals versions, since I think it's fair to say that Fuji's power isn't greater than Atobe's, whereas Niou's seems to be (see when he broke through Ochi/Mouri's defense where Atobe wasn't able to; not to say it's much higher since I believe it was mostly the surprise factor, but a little at least).

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Also that's when talking about their nationals versions, since I think it's fair to say that Fuji's power isn't greater than Atobe's, whereas Niou's seems to be (see when he broke through Ochi/Mouri's defense where Atobe wasn't able to; not to say it's much higher since I believe it was mostly the surprise factor, but a little at least).
    I guess your right here. Nationals!Niou was weaker than Fuji while Current Niou is a lot stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    The cake thing was only in the anime iirc, and I don't believe it was mentioned in the databooks or PPs either (I might be wrong about that one though, I don't remember his entries very well).
    Makes sense. I watched the Rikkai arc up to Singles 3 then was told to stop and switch to Manga many years ago.
    So I saw the Marui/Jackal anime version where it was a close 7-5 finish to marui/Jackal against Momoshiro/Kaidoh.
    So stamina isnt an issue for anybody in Rikkai really.

    ---------- Post added at 12:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:21 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily say that. While I agree that power is a factor in returning shots, I'd also say that there is some leeway. So for example, even though Krauser's power is higher than Atobe's, Atobe should still be able to return Krauser's shots. It's hard to say how large the gap has to be for someone to get overpowered, but I'd say maybe 2 points or so.
    You think Atobe will return Southern Cross? I know Kirihara isnt even near Atobe's level but he was raped by just Hopping Ball.
    Nakagauchi is stronger than Atobe yet he couldnt return Southern Cross or handle Krauser's power.

    I think the reason Atobe will return Southern Cross would be a combination of his Mental and Technique simply being better than most of his opponents.
    Same with all the top tier players.
    The reason why you know how good somebody is when they can return something like Big Bang without being phased or moving much.
    ie. Tezuka, Yukimura.

    Same way even the fodder No.s 11-20 must have been good. Remember Tooyama's Super Volcano Serve was returned easily by Hakamada. Meaning his technique just has to be good.
    Or how Taira has to be pretty strong or have great technique as he effortlessly returns Jack Knife with one hand. Although... Mukahi and Amane are amongst other fodder to return it with one hand. So I dont even know how effective Jack Knife is anymore.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    You think Atobe will return Southern Cross? I know Kirihara isnt even near Atobe's level but he was raped by just Hopping Ball.
    Nakagauchi is stronger than Atobe yet he couldnt return Southern Cross or handle Krauser's power.
    I was referring to normal shots, not HB/SC. Atobe is stronger than normal!Kirihara, who got completely overpowered as you said, but after Kirihara's power went up in DM, he didn't have any trouble with Krauser's shots anymore.

    That being said, Atobe seems to be flexible enough by now to avoid HB the same way Nakagauchi did at least, and Insight might help with SC.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Give Yushi a 2,5 in Speed. He isnt necessarily a slow character.
    DROP Ootori's power stat.

    In real life, just coz your Serve is fast doesnt mean you have power at all. When your extremely tall, you tend to have an amazing serve.
    Andy Roddick is an example. He is tall, amazingly fast serve, but you wouldnt say he is a powerhouse.

    Do you realize your saying Ootori is stronger than Shiraishi and Tezuka? He definetely isnt haha.
    A fast Serve just means he has an amazing serve. His power is so so. His technique is so so. He just has an amazing serve.

    Without his serve, what does he have? He has nothing lol.

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    In no way is Ishida Gin stronger than Kawamura anymore.
    Both of them have a limit of 108 degrees as far as the story is concerned. They are currently equal as far as Konomi has told us.

    ---------- Post added at 10:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:37 AM ----------

    So Ishida Gin's stat should be the same as Kawamura's.

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    Chitose needs a 5 in Mental, he can use SKnK. His knowledge on Data is also strong.
    He is a tactical player.

    Hiyoshi cant have a 2 in Technique.
    Do you realize you have Hiyoshi weaker than Ootori and Shishido?
    When the storyline states Hiyoshi > Ootori. And Ootori bt Shishido in the tie-breaks.

    Hiyoshi was never awful. He respectfully lost to Ryoma 6-4 who went all out.
    He lost to Inui/Kaidoh while paired with Mukahi. Had he been paired somebody better than Useless-As-A-Tennis-Player-Mukahi things could have been different.
    He can return Tannhauser serve with ease, he no longer has bad stamina, as Atobe had helped him fix.

    His stamina should be 3, his Techniques should also be 3.
    He is better than Ootori and Shishido haha, the story says so.

    Your stats are good for everything else btw though lol.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Give Yushi a 2,5 in Speed. He isnt necessarily a slow character.
    DROP Ootori's power stat.

    In real life, just coz your Serve is fast doesnt mean you have power at all. When your extremely tall, you tend to have an amazing serve.
    Andy Roddick is an example. He is tall, amazingly fast serve, but you wouldnt say he is a powerhouse.

    Do you realize your saying Ootori is stronger than Shiraishi and Tezuka? He definetely isnt haha.
    That's so true, never thought about comparing Chotarou with Tezuka, already changed them.
    Roddick is kinda powered though, but this is no place to discuss real tennis lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    In no way is Ishida Gin stronger than Kawamura anymore.
    Both of them have a limit of 108 degrees as far as the story is concerned. They are currently equal as far as Konomi has told us.
    Maybe, but I still think that Gin is stronger that Kintarou. So I should raise Taka and Gin to 6,5 or drop the little caveman's power to 5,5.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Chitose needs a 5 in Mental, he can use SKnK. His knowledge on Data is also strong.
    He is a tactical player.
    At first I had him at 5, then I changed it to 4,5 because I really don't see him smarter than Tezuka. But yeah, he's a tactical player so his mental is changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Hiyoshi cant have a 2 in Technique.
    Do you realize you have Hiyoshi weaker than Ootori and Shishido?
    When the storyline states Hiyoshi > Ootori. And Ootori bt Shishido in the tie-breaks.

    Hiyoshi was never awful. He respectfully lost to Ryoma 6-4 who went all out.
    He lost to Inui/Kaidoh while paired with Mukahi. Had he been paired somebody better than Useless-As-A-Tennis-Player-Mukahi things could have been different.
    He can return Tannhauser serve with ease, he no longer has bad stamina, as Atobe had helped him fix.

    His stamina should be 3, his Techniques should also be 3.
    He is better than Ootori and Shishido haha, the story says so.
    And he also lost to Kirihara in the newcomer Tournament.

    I'm raising his Stamina to 3, but his Tech I don't know... Momo and Kaido have a 2,5 , I don't see him superior (nor equal) in technique to this guys.

    I already know he beat Ootori, that doesn't mean that he has better stats...
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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    I may have missed or forgotten this, but why are we determining mental based on intelligence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    I may have missed or forgotten this, but why are we determining mental based on intelligence?
    intelligence seems to be an important factor in Mental. Of course, it's not based only in that (we're not saying that Ryoma is 3 times smarter than Taka). That's why, at first, I had Momoshiro with a somewhat high Mental ( the fact that he overcomes difficulties is named like 3000 times since the first episode of PoT) but it didn't look fair that he had the same Mental as Yuushi.
    Although you are right with that, mental in the definition given by you is "How much someone is affected by the opponent's actions." . I'm actually thinking that mental is affected by 2 main facts: how much the player depends on his brains in his gameplay (and how good he is while playing in that way) and how the player makes a way out to the problems in the field.

    If we only base in "How much someone is affected by the opponent's actions." then Ryoma should have a 9999, we all know he will win official matches no matter what, and that's not the case. So, at least to me, intelligence IS very important to determinate someone's Mental.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    I may have missed or forgotten this, but why are we determining mental based on intelligence?
    Why shouldnt intelligence factor?
    We are not basing it entirely on intelligence either.

    ---------- Post added at 05:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:45 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    Maybe, but I still think that Gin is stronger that Kintarou. So I should raise Taka and Gin to 6,5 or drop the little caveman's power to 5,5.
    Dont drop Tooyama. Tooyama can return Black Jack Knife easily.
    It is said that Tooyama's Super Megaton Deluxe... is more dangerous than 108th Hadoukyuu. So why you think Gin is stronger than Tooyama is groundless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    At first I had him at 5, then I changed it to 4,5 because I really don't see him smarter than Tezuka. But yeah, he's a tactical player so his mental is changed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    And he also lost to Kirihara in the newcomer Tournament.
    He did well according to Yanagi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    I'm raising his Stamina to 3, but his Tech I don't know... Momo and Kaido have a 2,5 , I don't see him superior (nor equal) in technique to this guys.
    I see what you mean. Do you think 3 is too high for Momo and Kaidoh however?


    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji Kikumaru View Post
    I already know he beat Ootori, that doesn't mean that he has better stats...
    Wait what?
    He is signficantly stronger than Ootori, but his stats arent better? Im not following.
    Hyotei in order of strength: Atobe, Yushi, Akutagawa, Kabaji, Hiyoshi, then the others.

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    Re: Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

    The three power houses have 6 in power now.

    Do you really think that Chotarou´s stats that I made are way better than Hiyoshi´s?

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    They are kinda balanced with each other, but one is focused in doubles and the other in singles.

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