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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
And Angel Mode so far is exclusive to pairing with Shiraishi.
Which there is nothing to really support on anymore.
So even if you don't remember it, obviously doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
A) Kirihara would not be able to return waterfall without the data.
B) Kirihara is worse than Inui.
C) Inui would have beat Kirihara if he had the data.
A) Inui himself said he gathered enough data after three games.
B) Renji acknowledges the fact specifically "Kirihara's" skill is just on another level.
C) Data means nothing when you don't have the ability use it.
Bloodshot mode Kirihara vs Inui = Kirihara
Devil mode Kirihara vs Inui = LOL
Last edited by Fayte; July 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM.
Well, for number A B and C. You can't prove the opposite is true either. Because in that match, Kirihara DO got Inui data, so ANYTHING in that match in pretty much void for arguing the case of no data. Care to prove otherwise?
Oh, and that Kirihara page? That's just tornado snake. For all I remember, Kirihara get completely own by gyro+tornado. And devil mode kirihara never go head to head with Kaidoh even then, and because he's pretty much "escaping" in that form, similar to Third court against Shiraishi, I'll assume Kaidoh is stronger then. In fact, if anything, Kirihara LOVE payback. But he choose not to do payback even if he get hit in his freakin face.
And EVEN if Kirihara devil manage to beat Kaidoh, Kaidoh still get his own Devil mode, so Kaidoh would own Kirihara again, unless Kirihara devil mode is stronger, but there's nothing to prove that.
Last edited by -Ken-; July 23, 2012 at 09:19 AM.
It is circular reasoning, because you can't prove I'm wrong. Also, my argument is not that Kirihara had no use of Data. My argument is Data is not the reason Kirihara is better than Inui. Data is only knowledge. Knowledge is useless if you do not have the skill to use it. The only thing Data did for Kirihara was tell him where Waterfall would land. That's all we have. That says NOTHING as to why Kirihara was able to go devil mode and send Inui off to the hospital. That has nothing to do with Data, that is just overall skill. Saying otherwise is a baseless argument and highly illogical.Quote:
Kaidoh does not have devil mode, I'm sorry. That match was at the end of the Prince of Tennis series, and Konomi had no intention of developing that. It was simply fanservice. Now that the series has come back from retirement, we will most likely never see Kaidoh do that again.Quote:
Which is why nothing suggests how Kirihara could actually defeat Yagyuu since he hits Curving Laser and Laserbeam from the same stance. Unless Kirihara can move at Rai speed for a long period of time, Kirihara cannot overcome that threat.
(Kirihara's stats do not show him having amazing stamina)
For Kirihara VS Inui, I said before, Yanagi and Inui are shown on various occasions in New Prince of Tennis sharing data.
If Yanagi can walk over Devil Kirihara, why shouldnt Inui? its strongly hinted their data is equal.
I believe Yanagi > Kaidoh as Inui probably gave Yanagi all of his data too.
Kirihara in the National Finals was handed Yanagi's data for the match.
Yanagi clearly states that HE HIMSELF read the course.
I believe only a tiny tiny difference separates Inui from Yanagi due to Inui being from Seigaku so Konomi feels obliged to giving him the edge.
And it is strongly hinted that data has nothing to do with physical abilities. Data means nothing if your body can't keep up. Equal data does not mean equal abilities. Inui HAD DATA to the point of himself saying he gathered it all (two different times), and STILL got dominated. It isn't "just" about data, and that's what this forum needs to understand.Quote:
Please, that last line was for dramatic effect. Besides, who's to say Inui has real data even then? He thought he had real data before, just the same.Quote:
Inui purposely gave Inui false data. Which means Kirihara's domination doesnt necessarily prove he is better than anyone in that match. Konomi has Yanagi state so.
And Yanagi DID hand Kirihara data like the proof I just showed. physically, I believe Inui > Yanagi.
Which is why Inui > Mitsuya. Inui's training regime is 2.25 times harder than Kaidoh's remember?
And did you see the terror in Kirihara's face when Kirihara realized Kaidoh hit his senpai's shot?
Both he and Yanagi were scared shitless. They know that if a player can hit Laser + other shots from the same stance that they are likely screwed.
Kirihara is helpless against it.
As you can see, this argument is full of assumption. Assumption's not gonna prove anyone right.
What we know;
Kaidoh> Red eye Kirihara
Devil mode Kirihara> Red eye Kirihara
Devil mode Kirihara> Inui without correct data
That's it. You can't compare Kaidoh to Devil Mode Kirihara.
"THE TORNADO SNAKE WON'T BEAT A PLAYER WITH RED EYES."
Just felt the need to quote that amazingly retarded piece of dialogue from the Viz English translation of the manga. Hope that helps.
Some food for thought maybe.Quote: