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Aizen with ease
Aizen with difficulty
Yama with ease
Yama with difficulty
The only thing that puts down Chrysalis Aizen is Enetsu Jigoku (Shikai Yamamoto), but it requires preparation which he probably wont get in this battle.
Bankai Yamamoto should have the necessary firepower to kill Chrysalis Aizen, then again he didn't use it in FKT, meaning that it probably has a downside.
If this is Aizen in IC, then I assume that he wont use KS or bankai so he takes this with very high difficulty (only because it will take a while to take Yamamoto down)
That makes me wonder while Enetsu Jigoku takes prep time, it doesnt mean Yamamoto cant use his shikai flames in separate attacks right?
WW approaches from behind him but he still goes on to strike WW with a flaming sword, while his fire pillars are still burning. So while EJ takes time like pre-heating an oven, it seems Yamamoto isnt bound to just sit and stare...he can still freely engage Aizen with a flaming sword...?
That's true, he also attacked Allon and such, so he can attack while he's preparing EJ.
However, it took a long time to prepare it, a whole battle actually.
I doubt that Yamamoto gets the chance to use it
Notice Aizen said "planning" while his captains fell. Not preparing.
And Yamamoto mentions Aizens eniter fight up untill now:
Meaning basically when the Vizard and Captains charged Aizen Yama-ji was intentionally hanging back and letting them get slashed. Till approaching Aizen just now.
Aizen just previously stated it was wrong for him to show up as he never did while the other captains were fighting.
I believe EJ requires perhaps just a little bit more panel time than was shown befor WW sealed it.
Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; May 18, 2011 at 08:06 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Why/how did that "opening" suddenly occur?
The "opening" was obviously Enetsu Jigoku, the thing that he has been preparing while his subordinates were being cut down.
It's really a matter of interpreting "opening", which seems to be "a chance to win" in this instance.
There was no point in commencing EJ if he didnt have Aizen in his hands. The opening was getting stabbed in the stomach.
There was no point catching Aizen if EJ wasn't ready yet.
Which is easily seen here
The pillars and in particular EJ itself weren't present before that, it is Yamamoto's chance and the opening to kill Aizen.
Aizen was perfectly calm when Yamamoto caught him, however he was surprised when he saw EJ, so really, the opening/chance is Enetsu Jigoku
Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; May 18, 2011 at 08:23 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I still think EJ started when you first see it here:
The whole part of Aizens fight against the Captains/Vizards was so that he would get arrogant and NOT use KS for the genuine stab. I said previously:
Yes people dont agree Aizen really fell inot the "trap," thats fine, I still say their dialogue was all about real Aizen stabbing Yamamoto.
No, Aizen himself suggests that Yamamoto has been preparing EJ when he (Aizen) was fighting the vizards
Aizen got arrogant?
The guy is always arrogant and wont approach an opponent who he deems superior to himself without caution, why else did he use KS against people that were weaker then he was?
So if Aizen is always arrogant, then Yamamoto could've caught him prior to this
Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; May 18, 2011 at 08:38 AM.
What he wanted was Aizen in this mindset before fighting him:
Thats fine, but since we have different interpretations of the "opening":Quote:
I'll just leave it with this, notice their conversation about missing chances/openings...
We have a panel competely on its own emphasing Yamamoto grasping Aizen in his hand:
This clearly tells me that was the opening Yamamoto was so delighted about...getting a hold of Aizen.
Of course you say its the page after this...but then I dont see why kubo bothered drawing Yamamoto holding Aizen again, and having a whole panel that just fits their arms.
EJ can be summoned as fast or faster than Hitsugayas TJ. Completing the attack is what takes a bit of time.
Agree to disagree if you wish.
EDIT: Getting active in this thread and going through the manga chapters kind of motivated to make this quick pic along the way:
Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; May 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM.
His release alone is hot enough to burn the sky, said Ukitake. His reiatsu is legendary. NO Shinigami born in the last 1000 years is stronger. I think the words of others do enough justice to show that Yama is beyond anyone. Even after the war, Ukitake again says no BEING is of his caliber.