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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    The only thing that puts down Chrysalis Aizen is Enetsu Jigoku (Shikai Yamamoto), but it requires preparation which he probably wont get in this battle.

    Bankai Yamamoto should have the necessary firepower to kill Chrysalis Aizen, then again he didn't use it in FKT, meaning that it probably has a downside.

    If this is Aizen in IC, then I assume that he wont use KS or bankai so he takes this with very high difficulty (only because it will take a while to take Yamamoto down)

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    That makes me wonder while Enetsu Jigoku takes prep time, it doesnt mean Yamamoto cant use his shikai flames in separate attacks right?

    WW approaches from behind him but he still goes on to strike WW with a flaming sword, while his fire pillars are still burning. So while EJ takes time like pre-heating an oven, it seems Yamamoto isnt bound to just sit and stare...he can still freely engage Aizen with a flaming sword...?
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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    That's true, he also attacked Allon and such, so he can attack while he's preparing EJ.

    However, it took a long time to prepare it, a whole battle actually.

    I doubt that Yamamoto gets the chance to use it

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    That's true, he also attacked Allon and such, so he can attack while he's preparing EJ.

    However, it took a long time to prepare it, a whole battle actually.

    I doubt that Yamamoto gets the chance to use it
    Was it a whole battle though?

    The time between the fire pillars going up and WW sealing them didnt seem that long...?
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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    Was it a whole battle though?

    The time between the fire pillars going up and WW sealing them didnt seem that long...?
    Yamamoto has been preparing it for a long time

    And considering that he didn't really wanted to fight, it is implied that he has been preparing it since the beginning of the FKT fight.

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Can Yamamoto prepare EJ with a sealed sword?

    IMHO Yamamoto had been preparing EJ during the time other captains fought Aizen, which was after that point.

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    Yamamoto has been preparing it for a long time

    And considering that he didn't really wanted to fight, it is implied that he has been preparing it since the beginning of the FKT fight.
    Hmm...Actually I also saw that as him referring to getting the "opening" of "catching" Aizen. Not Enetsu Jigoku the technique but just getting a hold on Aizen.

    Notice Aizen said "planning" while his captains fell. Not preparing.

    And Yamamoto mentions Aizens eniter fight up untill now:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    Meaning basically when the Vizard and Captains charged Aizen Yama-ji was intentionally hanging back and letting them get slashed. Till approaching Aizen just now.

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    Aizen just previously stated it was wrong for him to show up as he never did while the other captains were fighting.

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    I believe EJ requires perhaps just a little bit more panel time than was shown befor WW sealed it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miyagi View Post
    Can Yamamoto prepare EJ with a sealed sword?

    IMHO Yamamoto had been preparing EJ during the time other captains fought Aizen, which was after that point.
    Yeah...beat me to it.
    Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; May 18, 2011 at 08:06 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    Hmm...Actually I also saw that as him referring to getting the "opening" of "catching" Aizen. Not Enetsu Jigoku the technique but just getting a hold on Aizen.

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    Aizen just previously stated it was wrong for him to show up as he never did while the other captains were fighting.

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html
    There is a flaw in that theory.

    Why/how did that "opening" suddenly occur?
    The "opening" was obviously Enetsu Jigoku, the thing that he has been preparing while his subordinates were being cut down.

    It's really a matter of interpreting "opening", which seems to be "a chance to win" in this instance.

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    There is a flaw in that theory.

    Why/how did that "opening" suddenly occur?
    The "opening" was obviously Enetsu Jigoku, the thing that he has been preparing while his subordinates were being cut down.

    It's really a matter of interpreting "opening", which seems to be "a chance to win" in this instance.
    This was his openning:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    There was no point in commencing EJ if he didnt have Aizen in his hands. The opening was getting stabbed in the stomach.
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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post

    Yeah...beat me to it.
    You suggested something else in your previous post(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    Was it a whole battle though?

    The time between the fire pillars going up and WW sealing them didnt seem that long...?
    Yamamoto preparing EJ since the vizards + captains fought Aizen seems reasonable though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    This was his openning:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    There was no point in commencing EJ if he didnt have Aizen in his hands. The opening was getting stabbed in the stomach.
    No it wasn't.

    There was no point catching Aizen if EJ wasn't ready yet.

    Which is easily seen here

    The pillars and in particular EJ itself weren't present before that, it is Yamamoto's chance and the opening to kill Aizen.

    Aizen was perfectly calm when Yamamoto caught him, however he was surprised when he saw EJ, so really, the opening/chance is Enetsu Jigoku
    Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; May 18, 2011 at 08:23 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    You suggested something else in your previous post(s)
    Well it was closer than the beginning of the FKT which you suggested so thats why I more closer to agreeing.

    I still think EJ started when you first see it here:

    http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-...apter-393.html

    The whole part of Aizens fight against the Captains/Vizards was so that he would get arrogant and NOT use KS for the genuine stab. I said previously:

    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    Except, he purposefully did not make a move till he was the only willing fighter left on the battlefield. Aizens arrogance got the better of him and admitted that he thought Yamamoto came in too late. As the only resistance left between him and the Kings Key in FKT, Aizen personally went in to end things with his own hands where he fell right into Yama-jis trap.
    Yama-jis trap was getting stabbed by the real Aizen - that was his opening not EJ.

    Yes people dont agree Aizen really fell inot the "trap," thats fine, I still say their dialogue was all about real Aizen stabbing Yamamoto.
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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    The whole part of Aizens fight against the Captains/Vizards was so that he would get arrogant and NOT use KS for the genuine stab. I said previously:
    No, Aizen himself suggests that Yamamoto has been preparing EJ when he (Aizen) was fighting the vizards

    Aizen got arrogant?
    The guy is always arrogant and wont approach an opponent who he deems superior to himself without caution, why else did he use KS against people that were weaker then he was?

    So if Aizen is always arrogant, then Yamamoto could've caught him prior to this


    Quote Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer View Post
    Yes people dont agree Aizen really fell inot the "trap," thats fine, I still say their dialogue was all about real Aizen stabbing Yamamoto.
    I do get your point now, although I disagree.
    Last edited by Kugo Ginjo; May 18, 2011 at 08:38 AM.

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kugo Ginjo View Post
    Aizen got arrogant?
    The guy is always arrogant and wont approach an opponent who he deems superior to himself without caution, why else did he use KS against people that were weaker then he was?

    So if Aizen is always arrogant, then Yamamoto could've caught him prior to this
    No...if had made his move sooner than that moment he would have been in the middle of this disaster:

    http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...5-page-11.html

    What he wanted was Aizen in this mindset before fighting him:

    http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...06-page-7.html
    http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...06-page-8.html


    Quote Quote:
    I do get your point now, although I disagree.
    Thats fine, but since we have different interpretations of the "opening":

    I'll just leave it with this, notice their conversation about missing chances/openings...
    We have a panel competely on its own emphasing Yamamoto grasping Aizen in his hand:



    This clearly tells me that was the opening Yamamoto was so delighted about...getting a hold of Aizen.

    Of course you say its the page after this...but then I dont see why kubo bothered drawing Yamamoto holding Aizen again, and having a whole panel that just fits their arms.

    EJ can be summoned as fast or faster than Hitsugayas TJ. Completing the attack is what takes a bit of time.

    Agree to disagree if you wish.

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Miyagi View Post
    Can Yamamoto prepare EJ with a sealed sword?

    IMHO Yamamoto had been preparing EJ during the time other captains fought Aizen, which was after that point.
    IMO he can, he can build up the necessary reiastu for the technique.

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    Re: Yamamoto vs Chrysalis Aizen

    His release alone is hot enough to burn the sky, said Ukitake. His reiatsu is legendary. NO Shinigami born in the last 1000 years is stronger. I think the words of others do enough justice to show that Yama is beyond anyone. Even after the war, Ukitake again says no BEING is of his caliber.

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