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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Wasn't it implied that demons possess people who have weak will or in a weak mental state? Rin seems to be very confident and strong-willed so maybe that is why Satan didn't possess him yet.
It took him awhile to possess Shirou since Shirou was able to keep him at bay with his strong resolution until he wavered after Rin's father statement.
I agree with candy, if Satan wanted to posses Rin he would have already. But I don't think it's completely out of the question, I'm sure satan has an alternative idea for Rin that we don't know yet. I had wondered too if demons could posses other demons but then Rin is half human so I'm guessing if is possible but I don't think Satan will try it (maybe down the line if his current plans for Rin fail he will give it a go). I think whatever Satan is planning to do with his son it'll be some way of using him by appealing to his demonic side, maybe he hopes to mentally break him once he's stronger so that he follow's satan's will.
My question is, who did Satan possess when he knocked up Rin's mom? It must have been someone super strong because that takes a little while. And his mom should have been much more powerful than a lower second class exorcist if she could.... "handle"..... Satan. And has it been confirmed if the Blue Night is when Rin's mom got pregnant?
Totally agree with candy and BexXx. Remember, Rin isn't half-human half-demon, just a demon with a vessel uniquely his. This could be retconned later into half-human half-demon to lead to interesting plotlines too.
Still, how could Satan mentally break Rin? The kid's pretty strong, he weathered the death of his only guardian and the times when his sib and friends turned against him.
Not necessarily. All that needed to happen was that in the middle of you-know-what, Yuri Egin's partner got possessed and then died, but not before affecting the kids. Yuri Egin might not have even known that her kids would haven been affected (though that would've been stupid, I think someone else already said it but I don't get why she didn't just terminate the pregnancy- oh wait, maybe she didn't because she wanted a remnant of her partner who had died in the middle of sex! Still, golly gee that's confusing...)
lol i still don't know how kazue is going to explain to us exactly what happened to bring rin and yukio into this world! what an akward situation that must be!
if satan did want to persuade rin's demon side (not the totally psycho mode that attacks friend and foe regardless of what the hell is going on but a totally sane one that can plan and stuff like that) what would rin's demon side be like.....and what would be satan's bargaining chip. but i think if satan was going to make a deal with rin i think it would have something to do with 'join me and i will let your friends go unharmed' you know like a hostage situation, cause i think in that situation rin would do anything to save them (the people who accepted him for what he is)
White Silver King I was wondering the same thing. I'm figuring that there's something more behind it that still has to come to light. I considered that maybe Shiro was the guy that got possessed cuz Yukio did say that he was the only person who could handle being possessed by Satan (despite the fact that he did die during possession when Satan came for Rin) and then if that was the case that was why he adopted the kids and brought them up cuz they should have been his kids and he didn't want to lose that remaining part of her.
earthforge everyone has something that can break them, no matter how strong they are and as candy said it could be something like his friends' lives in danger, which would be the most likely sorta case.
Because he has the demon blood of Satan and the blood of a human
My question is, is Memphisto and Amaimon also half-breeds or true demons?
I think that Rin is the key to the gates of Gehenna and Assiah. Unlike the others, I believe that he can exist in both worlds and he can also make it so that the worlds are no longer separate.. I think if Satan had managed to drag him back to Gehenna the two worlds would no longer be separate...but it's just a theory that I am basing on what Satan said when he tried to drag him through the gate.
Er, I'm forgetting her name, but someone in the hangout thread mentioned that Amaimon is a demon possessing a human male. Dunno for certain about Mephisto, but given his talk about being a "gentledemon", I bet ya that he's also a full demon.Quote:
That's an interesting theory. So would the action of bringing Rin to Gehenna bring the worlds together and the demons could travel to assiah? Or would Rin be a pawn to travel between the worlds? Either way, fascinating theory, I would like to hear more!Quote:
And no, impregnation happening during the Blue Night is just a theory, which is IMHO incorrect. After reading the chapter with Tatsuma's memoirs I think the Blue Night happened almost a year after Rin's birth.
Your theory though BleachOD is really interesting I'd never considered something like that before and maybe Satan could be planning something along those lines like as Kryanka said a bridge.
Amaimon has been directly stated in the omake portion of the manga to be possessing a human male's body, and we can assume the same extends to Mephistos as well. So they're both full demons that are possessing a body to manifest in Assiah. Rin has the potential to be much more powerful than both of them simply because he inherited Satan's flames. Interestingly, in the raw version of chapter one, 'blood' was the furigana beside 'flame'. Perhaps it is possible that Mephistos and Amaimon aren't sons of Satan in the biological sense, with Satan simply being their 'Father', aka Creator, while Rin is the only son of Satan that has been biologically 'conceived', and thus, inheriting Satan's blood.
Also, Astaroth refers to Satan as 'father' in chapter 1 as well(with the furigana being 'Satan'), so it's possible that all Kings mentioned thus far(Amaimon of the Earth, Astaroth of Decay, Azazel of the Air, Egyn of the Water, Iblis of the Fire, Beelzebub of the Insect) are 'sons' of Satan in that sense.
Last edited by Defade; June 28, 2011 at 02:04 AM.
I also think Amaimon and Mephistopheles are different kind of "sons" of satan. Maybe, as Defade said they were created, or maybe they were born of demon mother (I wonder if female demons exist) or by osmosis. :|
I wonder if Rin can possess a human. That would be interesting.
Personally, i see Satan and his son one step higher than normal demon both in power or hierarchy. To me, i don't see Rin being possessed by satan or any demon; in the worst case he'd become totally "demonic/psycho" due the nature of his power but his individuality stays. I think satan wants him because of his strenght and wants to control him as a puppet to both wreck havoc in Assiah; to convince him that humans are his enemies since hes born, raised in lies, fuel his rage out. Since his body stays in Assiah, i made the assumption that it also stays in Gehenna. Rin is half-blood, i assume he isn't quite as strong as satan and will eventual needs all of his friends to help him out.
Last edited by Malach; July 08, 2011 at 11:46 PM.
I agree about them being above normal demons, since Rin inherited Satan's power directly. It seems like his power is controlled, or more like, "sealed", with the sheath of his sword, and that "seal" would be broken if he couldn't control his emotions, as what we saw on the moment Fujimoto died and on the last episode of the anime. He is not obsessed, either way, as you said, he'll be a total psycho. In my opinion, he is perfectly a demon, but elements of his body are of human world. That's why it would be perfect if Satan could control Rin, since he would have no problem either in Assiah or Gehenna.