Kakuzu vs Jiraiya

[3c]

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Certainly one of the oldest veteran the world has ever seen. When hidden villages were barely born, he fought Shodaime Hokage as one of the Hidden Waterfall village's finest. Rejected by his own village after his defeat, he stealed its most priced Forbidden Technique. Wandering for a long time as a bounty hunter for many years, he has been hired by Akatsuki as its Treasurer. Behind his impassible face lies a hidden anger which led him to kill his every single fellow partner until Hidan. Virtually immortal, he can steal the living hearts of his ennemies to extent or bring back his life and use them as elemental canons depending on their affinity. His body is no longer human and can be divided up to the number of hearts. His overwhelming battle experience taught him to not underestimate any opponents.

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Jiraiya is a renown man of many names and holds a reputation as a shinobi of enormous power. He often summons toads in battle, one of his most famous summons is the giant frog Gamabunta, but his perhaps greatest and most powerful summons are the Elder Frogs, Shima and Fukasaku who can help Jiraiya get into his most powerful form, Sage Mode, to greatly enhance his abilities and body. Both in and outside of Sage Mode Jiraiya has a vast arsenal of techniques like the hair needle, lion mane, swamp of the underworld and fire element techniques. Jiraiya is also able to produce oil, powerful genjutsu while in Sage Mode, perform advanced sealing techniques, create powerful barriers and last but not least, he's able to perform the Rasengan.

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Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!

[jorped]

Kakuzu is another very strong shinobi , but i don't expect him to beat Jiraiya's sage mode.
Though Jiraiya didn't totally control Sage Mode , based on what i saw from his fight against Pain , i am not expecting him to not being able of beating Kakuzu.
Kakuzu is strong and the fact that he has the 5 hearts makes this fight even more difficult to Jiraiya , but Jiraiya is truly a very strong shinobi and in techs would be well used by him since he is a very smart shinobi.
Jiraiya demonstrated on the fight against Pain that he is still able of surprising and be a match even when he doesn't know a thing about his opponent ! And we can be sure that Pain is much harder to figure than Kakuzu , so i will give to Jiraiya as the winner of this fight !

[mattiaildivino]

jiraiya was too strong to lose against kakuzu,he would won even without the sage mode,you can immagine if he loses in sage mode against him.jiraiya owns kakuzu.

[Rikudou King]

Kakuzu wins. Jiraiya is strong, but Kakuzu has sheer power behind his attacks and between his doton ability and strange body, can survive most of what Jiraiya attempts to throw at him. Not just that, But Kakuzu can outnumber and overwhelm with multiple large scale techniques. Jiraiya's one advantage would be to go into Sage Mode, but that takes a while and Kakuzu would have nothing preventing him from attacking at all angles.

[huynhlan]

j-man win, his lion mane tech. is as hard as steel, it can help defend him from pretty much all of kakuzu' tech. while he gather the neccessary amount of power to enter sage mode. Once he does it's over. Plus I believe a rasenga from j-man can do alot of damage to kakuzu. It might not have an element advantage over kakuzu's earth body thing, but J-man did said before that rasenga is stronger than chidori.

[ninjabot]

Giving it to Kakuzu.

Jiraiya's versatile and all, and he's got the almighty Sage Mode... unfortunately for him it takes him a trillion years to get into Sage Mode, and Kakuzu is armed with Doton Armor from the get go, allowing him to endure a high level of damage to begin with. Each of his black spaghetti monsters are of each element, so he has the capability to perform high level combinations to overwhelm any jutsu Jiraiya throws at him... and he can even surprise him by stretching his limbs underneath the ground, or overwhelm him by allowing them all to spread out from his body and fight on their own.

The only real disadvantage I see is if he somehow manages to get into Sage Mode (which I don't really see happening), or if he summons more than one giant toad at a time (because one isn't enough). Sasuke took out a giant summon with a plain old C-rank jutsu (though it was boosted by the vacuum), so I'm sure that Kakuzu firing a wind+fire combination of his B-rank jutsus would be a gamebreaker against Bunta or Ken.

As for the swamp jutsu, Kakuzu's spaghetti men can pull him out of the muck from above.

[huynhlan]

Giving it to Kakuzu.

Jiraiya's versatile and all, and he's got the almighty Sage Mode... unfortunately for him it takes him a trillion years to get into Sage Mode, and Kakuzu is armed with Doton Armor from the get go, allowing him to endure a high level of damage to begin with. Each of his black spaghetti monsters are of each element, so he has the capability to perform high level combinations to overwhelm any jutsu Jiraiya throws at him... and he can even surprise him by stretching his limbs underneath the ground, or overwhelm him by allowing them all to spread out from his body and fight on their own.

The only real disadvantage I see is if he somehow manages to get into Sage Mode (which I don't really see happening), or if he summons more than one giant toad at a time (because one isn't enough). Sasuke took out a giant summon with a plain old C-rank jutsu (though it was boosted by the vacuum), so I'm sure that Kakuzu firing a wind+fire combination of his B-rank jutsus would be a gamebreaker against Bunta or Ken.

As for the swamp jutsu, Kakuzu's spaghetti men can pull him out of the muck from above.

What would happen then if the spaghetti men are trap with him. Kakuzu, i don't know two almost fodder guy was able to sneak up on him like nothing, plus chouji was able to smack him like a bug, and the spaghetti men get kill by ten ten, come on man, he lose this battle.

[Rikudou King]

What would happen then if the spaghetti men are trap with him. Kakuzu, i don't know two almost fodder guy was able to sneak up on him like nothing, plus chouji was able to smack him like a bug, and the spaghetti men get kill by ten ten, come on man, he lose this battle.

Kakuzu's creatures can fly, so it would be incrediblly hard to trap them. And unlike Chjouji and Tenten, Jiraiya doesn't have access to an enormous form or the legendary fan of the Rikudou Sennin. Jiraiya has very little that would allow him to damage Kakuzu.

[ceasar]

Kakuzu wins. Jiraiya is strong, but Kakuzu has sheer power behind his attacks and between his doton ability and strange body, can survive most of what Jiraiya attempts to throw at him. Not just that, But Kakuzu can outnumber and overwhelm with multiple large scale techniques. Jiraiya's one advantage would be to go into Sage Mode, but that takes a while and Kakuzu would have nothing preventing him from attacking at all angles.

Jirayia took on and defeated the three paths of pein and yet he can't defeat kakuzu him the same man that struggled against kakashi. Their are only a handful of people who can defeat jiraiya and kakuzu isn't one of them.

[huynhlan]

j-man do posses an enormous form in the form of frog. and even if tenten did posses the fan it doesn't mena shit if the attack didn't hit now does it, that mean those thing are not that fast, and I doubt the fan use by tenten can produce s- rank elemental jutsu. And even one can fly, j-man hari can prevent it from helping the one who are caught by the swamp.

[ceasar]

Kakuzu's creatures can fly, so it would be incrediblly hard to trap them. And unlike Chjouji and Tenten, Jiraiya doesn't have access to an enormous form or the legendary fan of the Rikudou Sennin. Jiraiya has very little that would allow him to damage Kakuzu.

He has the rasengan his toads and lion mane technique and oil technique fire techniques what else does he need. He has plenty of techniques to deal with aerial combat. Also summoning ma and pa would eliminate a lot of those threats.

[ninjabot]

What would happen then if the spaghetti men are trap with him. Kakuzu, i don't know two almost fodder guy was able to sneak up on him like nothing, plus chouji was able to smack him like a bug, and the spaghetti men get kill by ten ten, come on man, he lose this battle.

You know good and well that was plot enduced stupidity. Every Edo Tensei summon will fall to the same nonsense, so that doesn't count. Hell, if Jiraiya was bought back he'd be embarrassed just as badly as Deidara and Kakuzu.

Jiraiya doesn't have the time or firepower to allow him to reach Sage Mode if you look at both ninja's speed feats. And if he is indeed trapped in the swamp before the monsters manage to get out, then he releases them and turns into the super huge spaghetti hydra he turned into against Naruto (but even larger thanks to him having all his masks) and simply rips his way right out.

Or, he just uses the Raiton mask to fire Gian, because the swamp is a doton. The Raiton would blow the swamp apart, allowing him to escape.

[ceasar]

You know good and well that was plot enduced stupidity. Every Edo Tensei summon will fall to the same nonsense, so that doesn't count. Hell, if Jiraiya was bought back he'd be embarrassed just as badly as Deidara and Kakuzu.

Jiraiya doesn't have the time or firepower to allow him to reach Sage Mode if you look at both ninja's speed feats. And if he is indeed trapped in the swamp before the monsters manage to get out, then he releases them and turns into the super huge spaghetti hydra he turned into against Naruto (but even larger thanks to him having all his masks) and simply rips his way right out.

Or, he just uses the Raiton mask to fire Gian, because the swamp is a doton. The Raiton would blow the swamp apart, allowing him to escape.

Even if he can escape the swamp he has nothing to compete with the frog summons at jiraiya's disposal; also if this becomes a battle close range he can defeat kakuzu. Jiraiya just will not lose to kakuzu as many examples you give for how jiraiya can lose he jiraiya has a effective counter for. Also if we are going by the caliber of opponents jiraiya has faced far greater than kakuzu and was only defeated by a rinnegan user while kakuzu was defeated by a lesser opponent at the time.

[huynhlan]

You know good and well that was plot enduced stupidity. Every Edo Tensei summon will fall to the same nonsense, so that doesn't count. Hell, if Jiraiya was bought back he'd be embarrassed just as badly as Deidara and Kakuzu.

Jiraiya doesn't have the time or firepower to allow him to reach Sage Mode if you look at both ninja's speed feats. And if he is indeed trapped in the swamp before the monsters manage to get out, then he releases them and turns into the super huge spaghetti hydra he turned into against Naruto (but even larger thanks to him having all his masks) and simply rips his way right out.

Or, he just uses the Raiton mask to fire Gian, because the swamp is a doton. The Raiton would blow the swamp apart, allowing him to escape.

if he is trap in the swamp it's doesn't matter if he recombine with the the other mask, he will still sink, a j-man is out of control chackra can create a swamp big enough to sink a ginat snake, how giant does kakuzu have to be to escape?
And about gian, as it's about to be fire, a sharp hair stab the mask and cancel out the tech. before it can do much. No where in the manga wass it show that kakuzu is faster than j-man at all.

Also the thing that happen to kakuzu as an edo tensei zombie have nothing to do with plot enduced stupidity because even when he was alive he alway have the mentality of being immortal, so even with edo tensei and thinking he can't die don't really change him much but deidara was different, he never have the mentality of immortality before only after he become a zombie, that why he was so stupid, kakuzu was different though.

[Delbi]

Jiraiya wins, and much easier than some think.

Kakuzu is a brute force fighter who uses a lot of powerful ninjutsu to bombard his opponent. That's basically Jiraiya's MO when he gets into Sage Mode.

Kakuzu spreading his hearts out is negated by the fact that Jiraiya can summon toads and create Shadow clones that are all more than capable of dealing with the hearts and allowing Jiraiya time to get into Sage Mode.

And even if he doesn't get into Sage Mode, or simply doesn't wish to, he has plenty of jutsu to fight Kakuzu with and defeat him. SOTE, Rasengan, Katon jutsu and barriers would be enough, and if those fail he falls back on Sage Mode.