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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
You said that DOTON is THE same SHIT as mokuton..
And now, you insisting that dust technique is better element than earth and wood.. ok...
ofcourse, i know that.. 1 + 1 + 1 isn't the same as 1 + 1..
Dust technique is compose of 3 elements, so it was so freaking obvious that it was damn more better than earth or yamato's mokuton..
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And He can create a mokuton cage in an instant to trap darui and wrap him with his mokuton inside the cage..
Darui has shown plenty of fast reaction speed. He was able to counter Kinkaku's strike and launch his own technique while Kinkaku was still near him and was able to get to Ginkaku just as his laser beams were hitting. He should have no trouble countering Yamato's attack and landing his own.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; June 13, 2011 at 11:47 PM.
A new perspective: I have restarted Naruto from the beginning.
One of our first big fights we get Sasuke vs Haku. Sasuke in that fight had fire element. Haku had Wind+Water=Ice. Sasuke's Fire element<Haku's Ice element in terms of strength as Haku said something like "you can't defeat me with a level of that jutsu" so Sasuke's fire jutsu was too weak against Haku's ice jutsu. If we break Haku's Ice compound down to its elements we get water and wind, and according the elemental wheel of strength and weakness we get Haku's Ice>Sasuke's Fireball technique but based on Haku's observation it was because he lacked power. Based on the component or elemental aspects we get Haku's Water element>Sasuke's Fire element and Sasuke's Fire element>Haku's Wind element.
Based on the above, we can deduce that if a compound element jutsu comprises of two elements and those two elements combine for no elemental advantage then the stronger jutsu prevails. So if we have two elements with one having an elemental advantage and the other having an elemental disadvantage then the stronger jutsu prevails. Now if we have a compound of two elements with no advantage against another element then the stronger jutsu ought to prevail.
Darui possesses lightning and water and Yamato possesses water and earth. We know know that Yamato's earth>Darui's water and that Darui's lightning>Yamato's Earth. So we get a situation in which is greater Darui's lightning or Yamato's water, and this will decide who wins on elemental advantage.
If two compound elemental jutsu's clash and 2=1>2>1 (water=lighting>earth>water), then we must assume based on Sasuke vs Haku where the stronger jutsu without elemental advantage wins against an elemental compound with no advantage , then two elemental compounds without advantage against each other will result in a win for the stronger jutsu.
Hence elemental advantage does not matter in this fight and the stronger jutsu will determine the result.
But why not take it this way? They both have water so they are equal in this sense, but Darui has lightning which is over earth, so Darui has the advantage...
I think Ranton is the key here, because it is way too unpredictable, but unfortunately it doesn't have enough firepower...but it can serve as a distraction so, I think Darui is in a better position...
Because Water>Earth, we get an elemental stalemate between Yamato and Darui.
Letters denote the user where Y=Yamato and D=Darui:
So water (Y)=lightning (D)>earth (Y)>water (D).
Lightning (D)>earth (Y)>water (D)=water(Y) is not logical because earth (Y)>water (D). Because Darui's lightning is greater than Yamato's earth we cannot assume that Yamato's earth does not beat Darui's water. Hence we get Yamato's earth beats Darui's water and Darui's lightening beats Yamato's earth, so we end up with Yamato's water against Darui's lightening.
Alternatively, we could say: earth (Y)>water (D) and lightning(D)>earth (Y), so water (Y)=Lightning (D).
Sasuke vs Haku showed that elemental neutrality, even against a compound element, depends on power.
Hence we get lightning vs water, so it comes down to power in terms of elemental advantage.
Lasers vs. Trees...
I'm going to go with Lasers...
Sub Elements are a good arguement point but they eventually just cancel out...
Black Lightning is a good Argue Point
Chakra Surpressing is a good Argue Point
But whos to say Chakra Surpressing works on non jinchuruuki...
What if Yamato makes some kind of shell of wood ? Immunity (at least partial) against electricity jutsu (not the piercing one) ? We saw him fusing with earth or wood and wood can be create from anypart of his body so why not ?
I've never seen a tree cut down by stabbing it.
anyway I agree with Benelori,it doesn't matter if Tenzo's doton overcomes darui's water. they are equal in water than the other elements are raiton and doton--> darui is stronger. and they have got a kekkei genkai too,but darui has also got a balck raiton passed down by the 3 raikage,even though we don't know its details.
I'm still not sure about this one.
I'm leaning towards Darui more, I've been impressed with everything he has done so far. He has his storm release, black lightning, and his other two elements. He can also use a sword proficiently.
Yamato though has his wood release and has his two elements. His wood release seem more versatile than Darui's kekkai genkai (we haven't seen much from it).
Still not sure I would say there power levels are around the same spot. We haven't really seen Yamato in a one on one fight with anyone I think. Well I can't think of any right now =/
But I was saying all along about ranton, not black raiton ^^' I don't agree on the subject on ranton - we know some stuff about that kg, whereas on black raiton we know only that its.. raiton <and on that I agreed with you>Originally Posted by zerocooldx
I know - give me an example please, then I will grasp the idea behind it xdOriginally Posted by zerocooldx
But its just another 'idea' that it can be guided or sth. And you said we know nothing about it.Originally Posted by zerocooldx
In all of those instances he put hands to do that on the ground if I recall correctly, so he make some stance. Darui isn't a static character, he will do sth also when Yamato will try sth like that.Originally Posted by Gatsuga
Just the mokuton heandseal, since he always (or almost) does the same hand seal for different use of Mokuton Darui can't read his attacks.
Last edited by Gats; June 15, 2011 at 01:07 PM.
You got me there, Gatsuga, and thx for the links <thats what you got for not checking it by myself xP>
But I still won't deny that I don't see Darui being caught in any of those techniques. And even if, he has the means to break out.