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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    He didn't have his Raiton Armor active, he activated it when Naruto attempted to run past him.

    Also, even if he did have his Raiton Armor active -- which he did not -- it's common sense that he wouldn't move so fast as to end up leaving Tsunade behind. How else did Kakashi, Obito and Rin keep up with the Fourth Hokage, who the Raikage stated to be even faster than himself? The Fourth Hokage simply controlled his speed to allow them to keep up. It's potentially even doubtful that Tsunade would be able to keep up with the Raikage, even without his Raiton Armor being active.

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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jdw View Post
    lol, he probably carried her. Tsunade hasn't done anything useful in a while. Even when everything was going down just now, she just stood there yelling, like it was going to change something
    She could just take off some clothes ... If Raikage is anything like Bee, he would probably stop trying to kill naruto ... But naruto would stop trying to go to the battlefield too....

    Which brings us to another vital question. If Sage mode and Kyuubi chakra make ninjutsu better, how would Naruto's sexy no jutsu turn out?
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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    for what it said in the databook tusnade is strong and there's so much that we haven't see of her beside her physical power and healing and good control of chakra.
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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    Didn't Bee say that Naruto couldn't use kage bushin on kyuubi mode?
    Why would he do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKROTTO View Post
    Didn't Bee say that Naruto couldn't use kage bushin on kyuubi mode?
    Why would he do it?
    Yes, hachibi told naruto that because he is not friend with the kyuubi, the kyuubi will sucks his chakra and naruto will die.
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    Naruto will do anything to be in the battle with his comrades. naruto can't stand around while everyone risks their life to protect him and he knows that he has the power to change and break this circle of hate in this world.
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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, at some point, Tsunade personally takes it upon herself to prevent the Raikage from going after Naruto. Or imagine if the Raikage ends up indirectly serving as the remainder of Naruto's training towards fully mastering his bijuu bomb rasengan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKROTTO View Post
    Didn't Bee say that Naruto couldn't use kage bushin on kyuubi mode?
    Why would he do it?
    Of course he can use it. It's just incredibly risky because it will put his life in danger by allowing the Kyuubi to more quickly absorb all of Naruto's own chakra until he's dead.

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    for what it said in the databook tusnade is strong and there's so much that we haven't see of her beside her physical power and healing and good control of chakra.
    Tsunade Databook 3 Stats/Data.

    Yep, she's easily one of the most impressive Shinobi in the entire manga. It's stuns me that so many doubt her as they do. During Pain's invasion she used her abilities in the wisest way possible, to protect all the Shinobi and other villagers at the expense of her own safety. She's a medical ninja, so it made total sense for her to do that. She did what a Hokage is expected to do. Pretty much, no other Shinobi alive that we know of would have been as well equipped to protect and heal as many people as Tsunade did.

    Consider for a moment that she actually used her most high level Medical Ninjutsu Technique, and used it through Katsuyu on every single person inside the village. It'll be pretty damn exciting to see what else she might be capable of.

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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    I can't see why risk that if he could try first beat him on kyuubi mode, since he could match on speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKROTTO View Post
    I can't see why risk that if he could try first beat him on kyuubi mode, since he could match on speed.
    Naruto isn't trying to fight the shinobi allies and naruto is only trying to not hurt his own people and cause the less damage that he can that's why naruto didn't attack the raikage and just tryed to use his speed to get away from the raikage but if he has to he will use force to go thw raikage.
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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jdw View Post
    I am not saying that Tsunade doesn't have a good side, because she does, but she could stand a little more love from Kishi. When Raikage was making a move on Naruto, she just stood there yelling. That isn't useful, taking action is. I know that you like Neji a lot, so it is easier when said this way: you keep holding out hope that Neji will get a chance to truly shine, even going so far as to say that he can compete with Naruto in Rikudou Mode, despite there being nothing to back it up. There is nothing wrong with that, but wouldn't you prefer to have some manga support? Well, the same goes for Tsunade. People are making arguments for her, especially for her battle prowess, based on feats against Kabuto in part one. But all they have is faith, no feats to support it.
    I disagree. Strongly might i say. Her standing there has nothing to do with her skills as a shinobi. She was caught off guard simple as that. Your turning that in to something way bigger than what it was. Also she saved her entire village from a super shinra tensei.. As far as Neji goes. Kishi has hinted at certain shinobi being in a certain class. That class is the genius class. Neji has been quietly hyped sinced part 1 of the manga. Only jonin of konoha rookies. He has an ultimate defense as well and his taijutsu is just beast. Who knows how much chakra control Neji has developed now. But I understand your doubt because we haven't seen him yet. But we will soon. This war is nowhere near over the way at this rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juUnior View Post
    If thats the case - so be it. To fans of Kumo bros. <as always, not counting filler KinGin bros.> it will be a pleasure to see more stuff between them. To others - like you said: it won't be important. But its nice that Kishi develops his characters interations, its always nice, imo.
    And I think chapter will end with ending of the flashback and a little scene between Raikage and Bee at the present with the conclusion of that - I would like to see Raikage saying "I'm not buying it" xP Why? I would like to see Naruto actually doing sth to Raikage thus showing him he isn't only fast
    I love kishis story to each character. I think their worth the manga space and i don't complain. Just look at some people look at the Hanzou story in dissappointment. I was so amazed at the background between him and Mifune. Kishi has such an amazing manga.
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    Naruto's finale will be EPIC , Nvm Naruto series has a long way to go

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    Re: Naruto 541 Discussion / 542 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jdw View Post
    At the current rate, the war could be over sooner than you think Each side lost 50% of its forces on day 1.

    At any rate, I am not saying that Tsunade doesn't have battle skills, but it sure would be nice to actually see them that's all. I am tired of relying on "we'll see soon," and "it's coming, gaiz!"
    To be honest I wouldn't mind if the war was considered lost, and Naruto captured. This would allow the plot to advance past the end of the war, and would allow Naruto time to master some Uzumaki style Fuuinjutsu. Then again, I also want to Naruto stomp Madara's Uchiha ass into dust.

    I'm sure Tsunade will display something great. People seem to forget how strong she really is. She can kill pretty much anyone in a single blow and she's mastered the art of dodging and reading opponent movements as a medic to avoid being fataly hit. She may not be on the level of the likes of Naruto and Jiraiya were in terms of combat ability but she is by no means weak. The only time we've seen her fight was when she was rusty against Kabuto, who was said to be Kakashi's equal at the time.

    My bet is Tsunade and the other Kage are going to get their chance to kick some serious ass in the not too distant future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdw View Post
    I am not saying that Tsunade doesn't have a good side, because she does, but she could stand a little more love from Kishi. When Raikage was making a move on Naruto, she just stood there yelling. That isn't useful, taking action is. I know that you like Neji a lot, so it is easier when said this way: you keep holding out hope that Neji will get a chance to truly shine, even going so far as to say that he can compete with Naruto in Rikudou Mode, despite there being nothing to back it up. There is nothing wrong with that, but wouldn't you prefer to have some manga support? Well, the same goes for Tsunade. People are making arguments for her, especially for her battle prowess, based on feats against Kabuto in part one. But all they have is faith, no feats to support it.
    That's fair, but I just have a lot of faith in Neji's power and ability level. Yea, he doesn't have too many monstrous feats, but he's an amazing shinobi. I'll admit that most of my faith in Neji stems from his incredible ability showcased from part one, and also the belief that Kishi didn't tell us that he was the only rookie promoted to the rank of Jonin for nothing. It's also my personal belief that he showcased strong signs that he's still very much a monster with the little we saw from him against Kisame, easily escaping his water prison while simultaneously freeing both teammates. Neji would have been very useful for freeing people them there with his abilities. He's capable of so much more and I think Kishi has always made that fact fairly obvious.

    In Tsunade's case, it has a lot to do with the small taste of her potential that I saw in her battle against Kabuto, and a little bit against Orochimaru. Then, I also really respect what she showcased during the Pain invasion. Yea, many would've liked to see her do more in the combat realm, but at least the reasons for her doing exactly what she ended up doing are completely justified, as far as I'm concerned. And what else plays a massive part in my faith in Tsunade is the fact that she is one of the Legendary Sannin. I'll admit -- and this is just being honest -- I have far, far less actual examples to go on when it concerns Tsunade than, say, someone like Neji. But hey, I have a lot of faith in Neji and Tsunade. Neji, more for the amazing things I've seen from him back in part one and obviously knowing that those incredible abilities will only become increasingly more amazing as time passes. Who knows what new techniques he might have come up with.

    I just demand and expect amazing things from the greatest genius in the entire history of the Hyuga Clan is all. Ultimately, I may continue to have this blind faith in Neji and Tsunade until Kishi truly closes the door on those two in some serious way. Tsunade, in this case, was reacting in a shocked fashion to the Raikage suddenly talking about killing Naruto, and then actually making a move to go and do such a thing. She wasn't really given an opportunity to show us what she would do if Bee hadn't stepped in when he did, just as Naruto wasn't given an opportunity to showcase what he was about to do in response to the Raikage trying to kill him immediately after talking trash about his father failing.

    Clearly Tsunade didn't get to do anything else because Kishi has something else in mind regarding Bee. I've always held the position that I will always take nice story and character development every now and then over just throwing battle after battle our way. There are plenty of chances to give us action. Tsunade, just like Neji, I feel, will have her time to show us what else she can do.

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    Why does tsunade need to have amazing fighting skills? I think she has unique and impressive medical jutsus and ok fighting skills. That works for me. I know its the shinobi world, but it's not always about killing someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto_Rasengan View Post
    To be honest I wouldn't mind if the war was considered lost, and Naruto captured. This would allow the plot to advance past the end of the war, and would allow Naruto time to master some Uzumaki style Fuuinjutsu.
    If he want to learn Uzumaki-style fuuinjutsu, his best resources, IMO, are (a) the seal that holds 9T, (b) 9T, and (c) Tsunade (the only verified and high-profile Senju alive). While captured, talking to Tsunade is out of question. and knowing Tobi, he will interfere in the conversation between Naruto and 9T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roggie View Post
    Why does tsunade need to have amazing fighting skills? I think she has unique and impressive medical jutsus and ok fighting skills. That works for me. I know its the shinobi world, but it's not always about killing someone.
    It's obvious she's impressive in the combat arena because she would need to be in order to be the village's Hokage. Still, Kishi did say she was the greatest Medical Ninja Specialist of all time, and he has definitely shown us that much. It was fairly obvious from seeing her first encounter against Kabuto and Orochimaru -- that she has plenty up her sleeves that is immensely useful in combat. Plus, as already pointed out, having the ability to kill most shinobi with a single punch or kick or being able to alter an entire environment with raw physical strength are very useful abilities to have in combat. Then, she also has Katsuyu who also has combat related abilities of her own, like that Acidic attack she used against Orochimaru and his summon. She also has an ability that makes it extremely difficult for her to be killed in combat -- able to perform a full regeneration of every last one of her major vital organs, even likely regrowing an arm if need be.

    I'm sure she has plenty of amazing things up her sleeves that we've never seen before. Plus, she's incredibly intelligent, so she may be able to come up with some very interesting strategies while in combat. Most important, we have to just come to the realization that not everybody will fight a battle in the exact same ways as some other Shinobi might. I really love that aspect of this manga a great deal.

    We sorta have to get away from expecting to just see offensive jutsu after offensive jutsu from each and every character and just accept that ultimately we are still watching a fight, and everyone will fight in their own unique way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roggie View Post
    Why does tsunade need to have amazing fighting skills? I think she has unique and impressive medical jutsus and ok fighting skills. That works for me. I know its the shinobi world, but it's not always about killing someone.
    The only thing that Tsunade has shown to be "amazing" at is healing and medical stuff. Don't get me wrong, thats all good and nice to have. However a pure medic can't really protect people the way a Kage should. At best Tsunade can only help heal the injured to keep on fighting. She doesn't seem to be able to prevent any bad things from happening, she can only help clean up afterwards. Which is a valuable asset, but not one that a Kage should possess, at least not in my opinion. A Kage should be able to get on the front lines and keep his/her village mates alive and change the tide of a battle with his/her power. Like the number one or whatever rule of a medical shinobi is not to be injured or killed because if they are then no one can heal the rest of the team.

    Medical shinobi basically have to stay safe and alive above everyone else in battle. I mean aside from strategist, medical shinobi are usually the furthest away from the front lines and direct combat. Tsunade has just looked helpless in far too many situations. And thus has had to rely on someone else to do the job of a Kage type figure. Which is to prevent tragedies, and if that can't be avoided, then do lead ones shinobi and directly engage the opposition in battle. She is the only Kage that we have seen that acts like a pure support shinobi. And the role of a support shinobi is not one of a Kage. The reason she gets so much strife is because the title she carries does not fit her anywhere near as well as it does other shinobi carrying the same title.

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