Bakuman Vol 16 (ch134-ch142) Discussion

[saladesu]

I don't think so. The effect of having an anime is having a significantly larger number of people reading the manga or being exposed to the "crimes" via the anime itself. This is evident from how volume sales always increase after a manga gets an anime, and even in Fukuda's case you could see how the votes increased as well, probably because more people were reading the manga. The fear is thus that with more people - particularly children of course - exposed to these "crimes", there is a greater chance that there would be copycat crimes (though most of them are more like pranks than real crimes, but still) which are a bad influence on children. Plus, I think when you see moving people on the screen, you're more likely to want to copy it or think its cool than if you see it on a static manga page.

[sekida]

i dunno why but; I get a feeling that eiji went to the editor-in-cheif to say something for ashirogi-kun. Like why wouldn't them get an anime? Or something else

Probably not, it is not in Eiji's character to ask something especially about why AM doesn't get an anime which I think it's pretty obvious.

[SSJAIden]

Why do so many people think Eiji will ask to end Crow? HE'S THE AUTHOR!! Can't he just end it whenever he wants? Jump can't force him to keep writing it against his will... Ashirogi decided to stop running Tanto, why couldn't Eiji just stop?

[saladesu]

Ashirogi deciding to stop running Tanto wasn't exactly an easy thing for them either, they had to talk to the EIC, and certain conditions had to be set. They could have been kicked out of Jump, and even if Eiji is practically Jump's golden child, knowing the EIC he probably would say the same to Eiji.

On the other hand, it also seems very counter-productive to try so hard to make the manga so good it gets #1... In order to end it. It just seems so stupid, and Eiji isn't stupid.

Though, with the description of what CROW was like recently - epic battles, full cast appearing etc etc... It could be a conclusion arc. If he did want to end CROW, that is...

[kdowns]

Well I don't really know if anyone has made the connection of the Copycat Crime in PCP which like people have said Fiction Crime that was inspired by the fictional manga "PCP" .

Well the Similar thing happened with "Death Note" in which there was a murder in Belgium where the Murderer claimed himself to be "Kira" which happened during the anime run of Death Note... Which I think cause the early end of the anime...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Murder

Which might help give us a reason to believe the Eiji is going to cancel PCP because the crimes will keep getting redone and bring negative attention to Ashirogi and plus all the obvious stuff. If Eiji "Doesn't" cancel PCP as we have seen that it is possible for them to turn the copycat crimes into positive attention....

[rarabella]

But who knows, it's possible Eiji might just be demanding a pay rise from the chief. >_____>;

I doubt he gives a crap about how much he gets paid. He already has loads of money and said he doesn't know what to do with it. It might be PCP or Crow that he wants to end.

[alphabeta]

I doubt he gives a crap about how much he gets paid. He already has loads of money and said he doesn't know what to do with it. It might be PCP or Crow that he wants to end.

I remember, somewhere in the early chapters of Bakuman, Shuujin or Hattori saying that Crow was already 30 times more popular profitable than Trap back then. I think the exact numbers were something like 3 million yen, from the Trap Volumes and 100 million from the Crow ones.

[Knifeshade]

I doubt he gives a crap about how much he gets paid. He already has loads of money and said he doesn't know what to do with it.

I was being sarcastic.

My point is that there might be a plot twist. I hope we are genuinely surprised.

We have to remember that Eiji requesting to end PCP isn't exactly the only plot device to move Saikou and Shujin forward. They were already planning on a second series 918348 chapters ago. It's only a matter of time for that light bulb to light up for those two.

And then we have to also consider "why would Eiji want to end PCP?". A couple arcs back at the end of the Nanamine arc, we just saw Eiji praising PCP and admitting one day it might even overtake him. Fast forward to the present and the only logical reason thus far would be when Shujin had his slump. But he's recovered and once again PCP is in their original top 5 comfy spot. Eiji at least needs a better reason than I dislike it to end PCP. And, um, this is just me, but it's gonna take some convincing for me to think "WITH MAH MIGHTY THOR HAMMER I BANISH YOU BACK TO SQUARE ONE. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT PICK UP $200" translates to "Hey Ashirogi, I'm just helping you guys come up with something even better to beat me kthxbai :3".

I agree with a previous poster, who said that Eiji might just be asking the chief if he can have banhammer powers now. We might finally see some character development in Eiji, he looks so serious and like he has a plan. Maybe he's discovered a new manga philosophy.

But if it turns out when I read the end of the next chapter and it has "I WANNA END PCP" in big bold text, I will literally fall over anime styles afterwards. Because it makes me feel like I'm the only person who looks underneath the underneath. =/

[Note]

Personally, I don't think Ohba will make Eiji end a manga (if a manga is ended, it could only be crow or pcp unless a new threat appears <- unlikely). I can imagine Eiji making a different kind of request and to be honest, with a character like him, if he said "I want to write another manga alongside crow whilst drawing +natural", I wouldn't be surprised. I would love to see a manga collab between ashirogi and eiji, it would be nice if he requested a project like that.

[alphabeta]

Personally, I don't think Ohba will make Eiji end a manga (if a manga is ended, it could only be crow or pcp unless a new threat appears <- unlikely). I can imagine Eiji making a different kind of request and to be honest, with a character like him, if he said "I want to write another manga alongside crow whilst drawing +natural", I wouldn't be surprised. I would love to see a manga collab between ashirogi and eiji, it would be nice if he requested a project like that.

If Eiji isn't going to end a manga, especially now, then what was the point in hyping him up, with being 1st place for 5 weeks straight? If he wanted a request like the one you mentioned in your post, he didn't had to get 1st place. 2nd, 3rd, and maybe even 4th would be enough. The only reason, why Eiji was so eager to become 1st place, was to cancel a series, and like i stated in my previous post, it's gonna be PCP.

[saladesu]

I'm all for Ohba pulling a plot twist on us. As long as the plot twist is something decent. I agree with alphabeta that it's been hyped up so much in the past few chapters, I would actually be rather annoyed if something wasn't canceled (or rather, if Eiji didn't even pop the question).

Though, it is possible that Eiji wanted to be #1 to prove he could handle having another series on top of +NATURAL and CROW... Doubt the EIC would let him do that, though, if that really were his request.

An Ashirogi and Eiji collab would be pretty awesome, but I can't see it being more than just a one-shot, sorta like Cross Epoch was between Oda and Toriyama, and the recent one between Oda and Shimabukuro, the name of which slips my mind now.

[Note]

I've always known ohba for pulling out something which i couldn't expect. It's been hyped up for the past few chapters,yes, but it makes me doubt that he'll actually do it, esspecially since all the characters think it's going to happen. If he ends a manga i can't imagine it having a shock factor. Imagine if PCP ended next chapter, most of us would be like "yup what are they going to come up with next" and to be honest, it wouldn't be the best cliffhanger. I think if 1st place "allows" Eiji to end a manga of his choice it would also allow him to do something different but with the same value. Also if he's first, he could argue that he is jump's 'most popular' author and possibly attempt to blackmail them in a way. I'm sorry, i just feel a cancellation is soo obvious that I can't accept it from ohba

[alphabeta]

Gotta agree with this one. If Ohba wanted to give us a shock, he should've probably made Eiji suddenly, without warning, saying :I'm 1st place. Either you cancel PCP or i stop drawing. Or something of that sort <------ This last sentence is my post. Not what Eiji says

Well, but then again, Ohba didn't, which leaves us with what we have now. Eiji, after being 1st for 5 weeks straight in front of the EIC's desk. What super-duper-mega-ultra interesting twist can possibly Ohba come up with now? ...

My guess is not to cancel PCP, but to make sure Ashirogi Muto will split up, and never work together again. This gives room for a hellish amount of Character Development, like Saikou questioning whether he did the right thing drawing manga, and Shuujin maybe starting to get mad at Miyoshi, and then there will be a divorce and everything goes downhills, and then Ohba trolls us all, and Ashirogi end up together again, and do a anime-approved manga

[Reclaimer]

What super-duper-mega-ultra interesting twist can possibly Ohba come up with now? ...

My guess is not to cancel PCP, but to make sure Ashirogi Muto will split up, and never work together again.

And this would be accomplished how?

[alphabeta]

And this would be accomplished how?

I don't get what you mean. What would be accomplished how? Saikou/Shuujin never working together again?