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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
But I completely understand your feeling. In the heat of the moment/just habitually, people tend to forget that the author might already written/outlined the story quite far. He just arranges them and puts them out as weekly chapters. What we do when we complain is doing the same as reading one chapter from a novel and complaining about the story without really knowing what is going to come in the chapters ahead. I too sometimes feel disappointed at a chapter. But, that is not due to disrespect to the author, rather because I could not get to see what I wanted to see in the chapter. What we do are just speculations and not show disrespect to the author/artist. I can't imagine the amount of stress they undergo working on chapters, deadlines, number of pages, and a lot more that I wouldn't know. I know better than to show disrespect to those who are working this hard to provide us readers with FREE weekly chapters. I hope others feel the same. But, as we all know, haters gonna hate. There is nothing we can do about that.
Thanks a ton for your translations. I am greateful to all involved in getting the chapters to the non-native people all over the world who appreciate this awesome manhwa.
I'm hoping that will not be a one-off medicine. As in, he uses it one time and the effects only last for an hour and the next time he needs to use martial arts again he has to take another pill. That would suck.
We don't want Shioon getting too reliant on that pill.
And I think the haters ChaoticKen was referring to might be the Koreans who post comments at the Daum site itself rather than this thread (though LoS seems to have posted a lot of hateful comments).
I do agree that people shouldn't hate and complain about The Breaker: New Waves just because it isn't going the way they wanted (a lot of complains seem to be linked with how slow Shioon is getting back his inner ki center, but if he gets it back early then the whole point of making him lose his ki center would be pointless). A certain somebody has made a lot of complaints about The Breaker: New Waves being repetitive and predictable and while I disagree with him, he IS entitled his own opinion. However, hearing the same complaint over and over again does tend to wear out the other readers and commenters on the forum. Especially when several of his predictions have gone wrong (I remember him having to eat his words in a previous thread), and he still insists that it is predictable and repetitive. I mean, I heard you complain the first few times, and you are entirely justified to do that. But after the 32nd time, you have to admit that even the most patient fellow fans get tired of reading your umpteenth complaints because it eventually sounds like nitpicking rather than a sincere expression of dissatisfaction with the story itself. Getting your predictions wrong don't contribute to your cause either. For example, the Jigun example where you predicted somebody would save Shioon from getting killed by Jigun, but Shioon managed to beat Jigun in that fight and only needed saving when those underlings came in, but you still went on how he needed to be saved anyway. Or how he would get beaten up by Changho, but Shioon actually punched the idiot in the face (which led to the comment that you had to eat your words), and you still expressed some dissatisfaction with that outcome. I'm not picking on you or anything and I don't mean any offense, but you do see where I am coming from, I hope.
Let's see, what have we got for the past 32 chapters? Basically, Shioon being dragged into the Sunwoo clan, getting saved by Jinie, challenged by Jigun and now facing down the SUC with help from Sera. Is that predictable and repetitive? I don't think so. But if you still think so, then you haven't been reading deeply enough.
There are underlying themes beneath all that surface of merely action and not getting his ki back and getting pummeled. It would be easy for the author to pander to fans and readers and have Shioon owning everybody he met. I bet some fans would be happy, especially some hypocritical ones who are complaining about how boring and repetitive (not to mention predictable) it is to see Shioon getting beaten up over and over again but ironically the same old scenes of Shioon beating up his opponents wouldn't be repetitive and predictable (to them anyway). But the theme the author is trying to express here is that Shioon didn't merely learn martial arts from his teacher Chunwoo. He gained something far more valuable than that, which is a will of steel, unshakable belief and determination and courage. If you read the first Breaker, you would recall that Shioon was a coward who was constantly bullied and even thought of suicide. The author is trying to show that the change in Shioon from a weak, pushover and cowardly spineless guy was NOT because he learned martial arts.
Basically, learning martial arts itself does not make one strong. The author is trying to portray that. And he is also trying to tell us that the most important thing that Shioon learned was NOT martial arts but the courage and will to stand up to others and fight for himself. Not being some infinite-ki genius martial artist, but someone who actually learned valuable lessons on bravery and mindset from his teacher.
That was why he was willing to stand up to Jigun, whereas in the past he would just grovel before the guy and cry like he did whenever Changho picked on him. And that was why he was standing up to Changho, the guy who bullied him in the past, despite some dudes thinking he would be traumatized. That is what the author is trying to portray here. It is not just a simple martial arts manhwa where Shioon fights chapter after chapter. It is also a philosphical lesson in getting your values and mindset right. If you don't have the courage or determination or willpower, learning the strongest martial arts like Black Heaven and Earth Formula is useless. But if you have the courage, determination or willpower, then it doesn't matter even if you have a broken ki center - you will find a way to win and defeat your opponents. The author is giving us the message that when there is a will, there is a way.
That said, I do hope that medicine is not temporary, or he is going to be heavily dependant on it every time he needs to fight. I'm sure no one wants that either, right? But in my opinion, I have enjoyed the past few chapters tremendously and will look forward to the next.
Last edited by TomoyukiTanaka; June 03, 2011 at 07:41 AM.
good chapter wonder what that medicine was hope it is not temporary. looks like next chapter the bully and the suc are going to see the true techs of shioon.
Last edited by NAM61; June 03, 2011 at 07:59 AM.
Well said, I totally agree on all your points above !!!
I really can't wait for another chapter...
I wish the next Friday would come soon. To think that Shioon would be able to use martial arts again, I can not be more thrilled at how the story would go on...
Oh and many, many thanx for translations ChaoticKen, nothing more to say, excelent as always...
So we're gonna finally see Shioon win a fight huh. Awesome.
wow chapter was translated fast this week
that was kinda funny when Shioon asked for 30mn
now i wonder if the effect of the pill are temporary or permanent. I hope they're permanent. Can't wait for next chapter, we will finally see the shioon of the part 1
the next chapter will be legen......wait for it.......dary LEGENDARY!! and it's on like donkey kong lolz :P
Since Shioon was able to use a foot technique and that by eating a pills his martial art skills are awaken again, make me think that Goomonryong did not really destroy his Ki center. At least he did it so that people would believe that it was destroyed but there was still a way Shioon could continue fighting. It seems the doctor was able to sense it. Maybe Shioon has not a ki center but it is replaced by other special place.
Anyway now that Shioon powers are back, it suck for the SUC (© skav) but also for Jinie grand father
My worry is also that the pill's effect is a temporarily one. That, said, we don't know how long it'll last even if that's the case. An hour? A day? A week? A month? The pill was implied to be good for one fight, at least, but beyond that....? At worst, I foresee Shioon doing a lot of blood donations in the near future . Let's hope that this is not the case, though...
By the way, are things really that negative among the korean fans?
That's a shocker like what Po discovered that his father a duck is not his real father hehehehe (Mantis: wow what a shocker well at least your mom didn't eat the head of your dad )
now my the theory of charlie and mine combine is showing :P
i hope this thread :The Breaker : New Waves 32 Spoiler Thread will not become a Flaming thread
Last edited by kidopitz27; June 03, 2011 at 10:38 AM.
My comments were based on what I've generally noted from the MangaHelper forums, not the Korean comments. I don't really think I've noticed much complaints on Daum comments section about the story; most of the conflict and controversy between people there seem to be regarding the author's tendency to update late and his right to do so and whatnot. Though that in itself is pretty heated, considering the author himself needs to ask people to calm down and chill.
As toodles noted, there was pretty much only one disparaging comment in this thread. But this is something that's been eating at me whenever I visit this forum for a while now. It's gotten to the point that whenever I see certain avatars, I just get a headache. Last week I typed out a short rant that went on for a few paragraphs before deleting it because I didn't want a repeat of minor thread derailing that I caused the last time I did so, a few months back. And also because I didn't want to get another post deleted, because I have a thing against that.
Yeah, sure, I get it. People are entitled to their own opinions. But when that opinion seems to be "this sucks" repeated over a span of a few months, week after week, I get sick of it. What the hell does that complaining achieve? That shit's far more repetitive than the story of The Breaker: New Waves.
But what really annoys me even more is that some people refuse to accept it when things happen to take an upward turn, and then downplay the fucking thing. People bitch about ShiWoon constantly being beaten up and not being able to win a proper fight. He then OHKOs a fat dude through the use of a tactic that he never bothered using before (that is, actually aiming instead of wildly throwing punches). Those same people then say that it was meaningless because the fat guy was weak and shit, discounting for the fact that it marks an improvement in ShiWoon's battle capability and the fact that hey, he won against a guy who could use martial arts while unable to use it himself, and he did it without taking a hit.
I get that one can hate a series that they liked, or hate something from the get-go. Taste is subjective, or so I believe. Hell, I hate Bleach and Prince of Tennis despite having stuck with them for a few years. But I don't go into the forums and decry that the chapters are crap constantly. Granted, this may have something to do with the fact that I stopped reading them after I became tired of certain traits of the manga. And the fact that I don't really discuss chapters even for series I keep track with. And the fact that I pretty much only come to the Breaker forum (or MangaHelper as a whole, really) to post a weekly translation
because I'm a Thanks-mongering gluttonfor the people who enjoy the series. But I digress.
I'm well aware that I tend to be overly defensive of The Breaker. Hell, the majority of my recent translations began with something along the words of "Dear haters, fucking shown" and whatnot. I'm not very happy when people criticize things I like, even when the criticisms are on point. Which is why I try to contend with the half-joking shtick. But sometimes, I find it hard to agree with the criticisms, no matter how much I try. Sometimes, I just find them goddamn tedious and annoying.
I'm also aware that The Breaker isn't some kind of ground-breaking masterpiece. Nor have I ever thought of it as one. I find it to be pretty good, worth waiting every Friday for and an enjoyable read. At worst, it's sorta generic. But the way people act, you'd think that it was somehow a fantastic, previously-unheard-of trailblazer that somehow suddenly went to shit.
Why the fuck is that?
Sorry about that...I almost thought you were referring to the Korean comments. My bad.
Yeah, I agree with you - every time I see that avatar of Luffy with red eyes I kind of dread what he will say. No offense, but I have seen him complaining so much over the past few months that I am tempted to just skip through his comments altogether whenever I see his avatar. And I understand and empathize with you completely on seeing the same old complains repeated over and over again for a few months - I find that more annoying than the manhwa's supposed repetitiveness as well. Like I said, I respect his opinion and his choice to dislike and hate the manhwa, but I don't need to hear why he hates the manhwa 32 times every time a new chapter comes out, or presumptiously predict how the next chapter is going to be boring before getting it wrong and then continue insisting that it was boring and predictable anyway. A few times, I don't mind. But I think he overdid here.
I think the reason why so many people whine and bitch about how boring The Breaker: New Waves is, is precisely because TB:NW is the victim of its own success. After bringing the series to dizzying heights with spectacular fights and pure ownage, people held certain perceptions and expectations of what the sequel would be like, albeit misconceived and sadly mistaken. And when the manhwa doesn't go the way they want it to, they start raging and calling it repetitive and boring or find all sorts of fault with it. Okay, maybe some of them are genuinely dissatisfied with it, but when they repeat the same old complaints too many times it gets annoying. But basically people are angry and disappointed because the manhwa ultimately didn't go the way they wanted (which usually consists simplistically of Shioon getting his ki center back miraculously quickly and owning everyone).
And like I said before, if you read TB: NW purely to see Shioon own random dudes or because of crazy fight scenes of Goonmoonryong's OWNAGE of every martial artist out there, prepare to be disappointed. TB: NW is about the New Waves, which includes Shioon as one of the new martial artists in the Murim, and also about the lessons he learned and what he had gained other than martial arts from his teacher, which I have already posted in my earlier post. It's not a simple action manhwa of ownage and super martial arts. It's also a philosophical one on how Shioon grows up and gains something way more important than martial arts.
I hope I am not digressing here, this is supposed to be a spoilers thread, not a discussion on what TB: NW's themes are really all about.
Last edited by TomoyukiTanaka; June 03, 2011 at 10:41 AM.
Well Shioon's last few lines in the chapter really are what made the chapter for me. Next week should be very interesting indeed, as it is I can see that idiot Changho going for the kill and then BAM, Foot Techniques bitch with Shioon dodging his attack similar to Part 1 back when he was being chased around at his school by the Martial Arts Alliance and then knocking his ass out with nothing but one Soul Crushing Strike and then the rest of those SUC guys just running away in fear.
@Kichiku I do believe that this pill will probably only last roughly for around an hour but the Doctor will create a brand new pill tailor made to Shioon by using the blood that he withdrew from him so as to extend the duration of the pill to who knows maybe a day or week lol. Also with a new tailor made Shioon pill it could possibly get rid of that prerequisite of having to wait 30 minutes for the pill to activate
@ChaoticKen I know how you feel man especially because my favorite manga is Bleach for which there is no shortage of criticism due to the fact that many people don't like its pacing or the way Kubo handles the story to which I feel that the story and is still moving along smoothly with Kubo dropping here and there some nice subtle things that really add to the story. But again everyone is entitled to their own opinion as well as how they feel about something. I for one felt that the story was moving on to slowly and was being to repetitive but now boy has it busted a 180 on me that's for sure. I feel now that we are really starting to see some nice progress which is great because I'm sure everyone loves seeing progress in a story.
True, it's not a spoiler discussion, but it's interesting nontheless. I once recall making a point (I think it was right after Breaker ended, though I can't recall if it was simply the release of Volume 10 or if it was when A-Team finished releasing Volume 10) about how New Waves would be more about ShiWoon as opposed to ChunWoo.
Granted, that was back before New Waves started. Things have changed my perception of things, such as ShiWoon's refusal to become the patriarch of the SunWoo clan. I suppose I just liked sounding flashy. >_>Originally Posted by Some Korean Dude