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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Finestela View Post
    And the 8 issue is something mentioned by Shueisha insiders on 2ch few years ago.
    As long as I follow the ToCs, this "8 week" stuff was never confirmed. All we know is that some guy in 2ch said that years ago. If he were a Shueisha insider, we never knew, and probably will never know.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by alphabeta View Post
    But now i look at the ratings for issue 27, and it's obvious that those are the ratings for the chapters which are in this very issue, not the one from 8 weeks ago.

    I dun' get this.
    people who answered before seems to have missed this part
    why it's so obvious?
    because in the toc 27
    Spoiler show
    there is no one piece, 8-7 weeks ago one piece was absent? looks like it wasn't absent
    so most likely this isn't the final toc but the "early result" (if ever the "final" ones are published somewhere)
    till now i've seen only early ones then :/

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    I'm not really sure what you mean. How does the absence of One Piece this week reflect that this is the "early result"? The difference between the early and final results is probably only a few days, so I don't really see a point in Shueisha using early results if they can use the final results, presumably without that messing with their publishing schedule (they have 7-8 weeks to tabulate all that data after all).

    When a series is absent, we just can't tell what the chapter 7/8 weeks ago ranked. 7/8 weeks from now, OP will probably just get an arbitrary rank since it had no chapter 7/8 weeks before that (this week) to receive votes on questionnaire for.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    I've been following this whole thing about ranking and such for a while now and may I say that it's not about the weeks, but about the chapters? So it doesn't matter if a manga is on break for a week and then continues because the place in the toc (except it has CP) will be from 8 (or 7) chapters before either way, so the weeks don't really matter.

    At least that's what I've read a few times and what I believe is "right".
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    The argument for counting by chapters seems to be flawed, too. Let's say there are 2 series, A and B.

    Week 1 - A (chapter 20), B (chapter 40)
    Week 2 - A (chapter 21), B is on break

    In Week 10 (assuming 8 weeks rather than 7), when series A is being ranked for its chapter in week 2 (8 chapters ago), 8 chapters ago for B is in week 1. Shueisha receives the surveys weekly. If for week 1, series B was number one but in week 2, series A is number one, then in the TOC for week 10, what will they place as number one on the TOC (ignoring color pages etc)? This is just 2 series, but imagine 20 series, all having taken breaks at different times... I can imagine that would be extremely messy trying to determine a TOC placing based on each series' rank 8 chapters ago when they're all from different weeks (and hence each a different set of survey rankings).

    At the same time, counting by weeks also encounters a slightly different flaw, wherein Shueisha would need to arbitrarily determine a rank for a series that was absent 8 weeks ago. It does seem overall an easier task though, as compared to doing it by chapters.

    Honestly, I don't think we will ever really know which it is. Even the "Shueisha insider" who said it was 8 weeks could also have been lying about being a Shueisha insider. It was on 2ch... Can that really be believed 100%? :/

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    sure, you're right. But they're a relatively huge team in the editorial room of WSJ, I think they can manage something like that without a problem + they're experienced and a lot of them are working there since...well, a few years.

    And of course everyone can choose in what to believe in, if it was a Shueisha insider or not...I think at this point it doesn't really matter, it's great enough that we get the TOC/Covers/Chapters every week, of course, details about the rankings would be great, but personally I'm more than happy with how it's now.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    It's by the chapter. They need to give readers time to send in the postcards. Since voting is weighted in favor of Jumps target demographic, postcards need to be sorted by age and gender. Than they need time to count votes. The editors need time to meet and discuss the results. Then they need time to discuss the results with all of the mangaka. One can assume editors and mangaka have tight schedules, so meetings can't necessarily be scheduled immediately. Then votes need to be counted again, to check for accuracy. After that, the editors need to meet again to build the TOC. They need to discuss any new manga submitted, determine what would be easiest to replace, the status of each mangaka, what manga the editors actually like, etc. The editors also have other business to attend to over this whole time. So a window of 8 issues is given, so that everyone involved - from the printer to the editors - can maintain a schedule.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Personally, i've always found the 8 week system flawed. If a series get's color or takes a break, it screws up 2 weeks of ToC just like that for the week of and then 8 weeks later. Also it seems odd they are taking data from 2 months ago, they can see how much a volume sells within 2 weeks. Lastly, if series were following 8 weeks ago, a series that ends; is two months behind on rankings. What if it got better in that time? So this is why personally I never cared for the 8 week ranking system. Trusting some iffy info on 2ch just doesnt do it for me, cause ive heard lots of great things on the net like Elvis is still alive and kickin

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    If it gets color we don't see that week's ranking but the editors still have it....so far the system is not that flawed from what we know. All it means is we don't always get to see the ranking for some series.


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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Little info about WSJ #28:
    Lead CP: ONE PIECE

    CP: BEELZEBUB, Kuroko's Basketball & Bakuman.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Kuroko's color will also include the Popularity Contest Results.




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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    The cover is never good but the color inside it's usually awesome

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayaendo View Post
    That's actually a false rumor. Togashi does indeed have assistants.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymie View Post
    Well, I doubt he has any permanent assistants. He probably hires some random assistants for a couple of weeks whenever he feels like doing his job.
    Late to the party, but Togashi is indeed known for having done Level E without assistants. Or maybe is that the rumour you were talking about? Afaik there were assistants working on all of his other series, though, HxH included. He probably does what Jaymie says ^ for this series, work contracts for assistants must be pretty flexible.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    from Mr. Sasaki
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

    Uh am i the only one that finds it weird that luffy is going to be..licking his comrades
    That aside, this is probably one of my fav op jump cover yet just because of those faces on the ice cream scoops.
    Can't wait for the toc for this week's issue.

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