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I doubt that Bleach is one of their most popular mangas right now.Quote:
Here you acknowledge that it's not fixed.Quote:
Temporary editorial decisions, as Oda said it.Quote:
I think it shows us that Mago may be dead meat for the editorial department, and that they don't even want to promote it anymore. But we'll see.Quote:
That's a wrong conclusion. There are cases where nothing amazing happened 8 weeks ago, where something good happened 10 or 6 weeks before, etc. Actually, the first error is to assume that one's opinion on a chapter is shared by Japanese voters. We may not think the same thing as them on the same chapters or arc.Quote:
Sket Dance got higher when the anime was announced, 6 months before it actually started. Same thing for Bakuman, even if the arc was bad around that time (in my opinion). Same thing for Mago for the first season.Quote:
Bakuman shows how the real rankings are made, the one we never get. As for the TOC, I don't think its process has been shown in detail. Oda gives us a different story for the TOC, and he's a confirmed insider, not just someone who got its copy of Jump earlier than other people.Quote:
Actually, no. I already gave you some examples.Quote:
I will gladly do. Ikkyu's ranking:Quote:
1 6 7 7 9 7 7 10 15 10
Well, that does seem stable enough for me.
Let's see some other new series (Magico, Dois Sol, Grim, Sengoku, Enigma, Meister):
1 6 10 11 5 7 5 10 7 10
1 7 10 11 11 5 12 14 16 19
1 6 8 8 12 7 15 17 9 15
1 6 7 8 10 7 11 8 17 18
1 6 10 9 8 9 8 5 11 5
1 7 8 12 13 10 12 17 18 19
As you can see, as soon as chapter 5 we can find differences between rankings. Differences for chapter 7 are obvious, but in your system, you wouldn't consider already ranked. If chapter 7 is ranked according to votes, how could it be, if it's based on 8 chapters ago?
Do we have some information on the fact that it polls poorly, or are we just speculating? Have we considered that KochiKame has always been popular enough to stay here?Quote:
There are no advertising pages behind single color pages...Quote:
The only real advertising the Jump has is placed at the beginning or at the end, nowhere in the middle.
Do you want me to give one? Then we could say that there are different possibilities.Quote:
For quite awhile not-that-long-ago, every time Kuroko hit dead-last or reached the low-Bottom 5, WSJ tried to boost it back up by awarding a color page right after. The cycle of Bottom 5 -> color page -> Bottom 5 -> color page etc continued on for quite a while until Kuroko finally managed to get out of Bottom 5 by itself.
It was quite ridiculous when WSJ "rescued" Kuroko with color pages to save it from the bottom, only to see it go straight back down the next week. It was quite clear that WSJ was promoting Kuroko massively, yet Kuroko remained at the bottom all those times.
If the placements are really used to promote certain series, then WSJ should have just places Kuroko new the beginning (or even towards the middle) instead of always bringing back down after it had a color page.
I always wondered if the authors in SJ are aware of their own manga rankings every week. I faintly remember the author of Beelzebub, Ryuuhei, commented on one of his colored pages. "In celebration of Beelzebub coming in 2nd place in the rankings." etc..
That's the only time I remember an author in SJ commenting on the rankings. I normally see, "with the surging popularity" or "thanks for support for helping the manga become a hit" in other manga or magazine.
It is confirmed that Asou will return once again with one shot on next issue.
Jump Issue 33 Information
Lead CP: Naruto
Center Colour: Golden Future Cup Entry #2 SINS (47Pages), Magico, Gintama,
One shot: Chou Nouryokusha Psychic no Sainan (Asou Shuichi)
Extra Pages: Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa (23Pages)
On Break: One Piece
(ST&RS 1 spoilers)
ST&RS was neat, but the girl is not nearly as likeable as the two MCs.
The setup wasn't perfect (why is one of the most promising young astronomists a principal of a school in a different country? Principal is not a job related to astronomy no matter which school it is. Also "chosen child" setup which is always very depressing. And lastly, decoding such a message should provide humanity with tons of both info and questions about the aliens, none of which were mentioned in the opening announcement), but I still like it. I'm pretty certain that the two MCs will NOT be able to go to Mars in the first appointed date so it'll be interesting to see where that goes.
Can't say much about Harisugawa. It was everything I expected it to be, as a fan of Mx0.
UHU, just out of curiosity what basis are you forming your arguments from? If it's based on observation alone, we're all on the same boat about how the ranking works. I do find your insights interesting though.
EDIT: We already have a thread for ST&RS so any discussion about the series will be moved there from here onwards.
Last edited by Asarii; July 16, 2011 at 12:49 AM.
We're all on the same boat, and this is why I'm surprised people make wild assumptions like this "8 week" rule. I just try to remind everyone that we should trust only the most proven things.
I have several copies of Jump too, I just checked the eight of them (from 1985 to 2010), and I found no color ad (such as the one usually on page 2) behind single manga color page. The last two pages are ads (after the TOC).Quote:
Do you have a picture of such an ad (in context)? Maybe we just misunderstand.
The 8 week rule is not a wild assumption, but something that was actually said on 2ch by insiders.
Here are a list of "Confirmed Facts" about the ToC compiled by the folks on 2ch:
This part is interesting, cause I never thought about it.Quote:
So maybe that's why Kano managed to come back so often.
Last edited by ruggia; July 16, 2011 at 06:11 AM.
But is Eiichiro Oda not an insider enough for you guys?
The voting system is described in Bakuman. Where has the TOC system been described by a confirmed insider (I mean: someone with a name)?
2. What exactly did Oda say that you kept on bringing up? As far as I know, authors themselves are prohibited to talk about the detailed inner works of the editor's department, on the record.
3. The voting system is described in Bakuman, but Bakuman NEVER said anything about how rankings translates to ToC.
I will avoid saying that it's your responsibility to read a discussion before entering it, because such words are unpleasant.Originally Posted by One Piece 47
Exactly. That was my answer to Kaiten. So we don't have any real source on how the TOC is made, Oda excepted.Quote:
Last edited by UHU; July 16, 2011 at 06:53 AM.