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[shaheer]

hmm who knows, I doubt Yu Han Sung had a big part in it. It's unlikely that he could travel with them and I'm not sure why Hwa Ryung should feed him with negative emotions. Only reason I can imagine besides the betrayel is that he needs to move secretly and thus was told to not get too close to any other climbers. He seems to mistrust everyone at this point of time so I think that's what really matters, I think and hope he will be back to his old self sooner or later.

well if we get to see him take another paradigm shift and be back to what he was then i hope the transition is not made in an overnight otherwise it would be lame

[Jammin]

I also doubt Yu Han Sung had anything to do with Baam's transition into Viole. Mainly because Yu Han Sung was only concerned with protecting the tower; which was the reason he gave for trying to keep Baam from climbing. So pushing Baam to climb as a part of F.U.G. wouldn't be constant with that.

As for Viole finding some of the Baam part of himself, it can't happen soon enough for me. I don't expect it would happen all at once but I want to see some cracks in his icy exterior, and the sooner the better. The silent badass thing is just boring to me and is hindering my emotional connection with Baam's character. I want to see him connect with one of these other climbers and then rebuild a personality off of that.

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I'm not sure how or why Baam got signed on to all this crazy F.U.G. business but to me the practical reality of the situation looks like it's going to be this...

Baam joined a cult.

F.U.G. is a religious organization. Baam found religion in his time of need, probably with full blown indoctrination. They gave him a new name and turned him into a crusader for the cause. He'll gets some companions and they will slowly eat away at his zealotism until the he stops thinking of himself as Viole and once again answers to the name Baam. Symbolizing that he has found himself once more.

To be clear, I HATE this idea! I hate it because I think Tower of God's time would be better spent focusing on something else.

[shaheer]

hmm Yu han sung had an exterior of protecting the tower but by the end of the season 1 we all got the vibe that there was more to him than what he showed outside.
he wanted Baam to climb the tower without the knowledge of the zahard and his henchman
now these arent what you expect from someone who is loyal to zahard and his rule in the tower

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nd to be honest i really am opposite in terms of skeptism launched against Baams paradigm shift. sure i dont want him to be a mass murderer but i dont want him to be a sait nun either like cough ramen eater cough cough black cloaked katana wielder cough cough cough.
i want Baam to be more like kenshin who has seen the world want through transitions and became peaceful but in a matured way and is willing to go back to what he was if the situation demands it
so i welcome the change
nd it has been like what 12 chaps of viole? comparing that to roughly 50 chap worth of gubbleness from baam is quite an inferior match imo. I can tolerate more of 'i am a loner and i can kill " kind of baam for few more chaps

[scav]

welcome back to the forum as a regular bro
so what do you think caused Baams paradigm shift apart from that utter betrayal?
i wager yu han sung and Hywa (whatever her name is) works for Fug and thus enacted this drama. during the 5 yr period Hywa ryung (what ever the sp is) fed him with negative emotions and took him to the FUG boss who trained him or sth.
Ofcourse Headon has to fit in the story some how(as it was his plan initially), but cant figure his role in making Baam into what he is

i'm quite interested to what happened to him those five last years.I think it's not that simple cuz his personality totally changed. Seems like he really hate the zahard family. Can't wait for the flashback

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lol am i the only one who love baam new personality? well too much show off but still better than the guy who doesn't have his own goal and motive and who do everything for a girl.

[Jammin]

@shaheer
I want to see Baam mature into something like that as well but the problem is that, right now, he isn't acting wise or mature. Part of wisdom is understanding the world around you and those in it. As Viole, Baam just seem to be doing his best to ignore those around him. As long as he's like this he cannot succeed as this type of character.

And I don't really think it can be said that we've had 12 chapters of Viole because Baam IS Viole; and Viole is Baam. Those 50 chapters of Baam you were talking about are as much a part of Viole as Baam.

@scav
Your definitely not the only person who likes him scav..... but I sure don't

I think he comes across as so much more shallow like this. Baam wasn't exactly Mr. Outgoing pretimeskip but he sought to understand people and through that mechanism we fans got to know both the people he was trying to get to know and Baam himself. As he effected them and they effected him.

Viole has lost that completely. He's fairly strong. He's focused. He's solitary. Which in the tower seems so....normal; and normal to me is boring.

As he was when he answered to the name Baam, he was also way more dangerous than he is now. He may be strong but he's a joke compared to Yuri, and as he was he carried the threat of causing people like Yuri to turn against the conventions of the Tower. There is little or no threat of him doing that in his present state.

[shaheer]

lol am i the only one who love baam new personality? well too much show off but still better than the guy who doesn't have his own goal and motive and who do everything for a girl.

Nah i like it too. but i wouldnt like it if this goes on forever
that being said i dont want him to return to a state where he does everything for a girl

@shaheer
I want to see Baam mature into something like that as well but the problem is that, right now, he isn't acting wise or mature. Part of wisdom is understanding the world around you and those in it. As Viole, Baam just seem to be doing his best to ignore those around him. As long as he's like this he cannot succeed as this type of character.

And I don't really think it can be said that we've had 12 chapters of Viole because Baam IS Viole; and Viole is Baam. Those 50 chapters of Baam you were talking about are as much a part of Viole as Baam.

give him some time man, when RK started Kenshin was like 30+ or sth, when he was a teen ager he was used by many remember(very much similar to baam) ? part of growing up is to make mistakes go in different routes but if he has(which i am sure he has) some sanity inside of him he will change into a better man then he was in th estart

being a better man is not being selfless and all, the manga authors seem to think that being a bettre man is just to be selfless and being moronic
thats y most of the heros are like that.
we all know that Baam is not gonna be like this or if he is like this(ie holds an aim to kill zahard) then some how or another you will see that zahard is being portrayed in such a way that you ll begin to feel taht he needs to be killed lol

[Jammin]

give him some time man, when RK started Kenshin was like 30+ or sth, when he was a teen ager he was used by many remember(very much similar to baam) ? part of growing up is to make mistakes go in different routes but if he has(which i am sure he has) some sanity inside of him he will change into a better man then he was in th estart

Could you elaborate? I'm curious where you see the similarity between Baam/Viole and Himura Kenshin because I don't really see it.

being a better man is not being selfless and all, the manga authors seem to think that being a bettre man is just to be selfless and being moronic
thats y most of the heros are like that.
we all know that Baam is not gonna be like this or if he is like this(ie holds an aim to kill zahard) then some how or another you will see that zahard is being portrayed in such a way that you ll begin to feel taht he needs to be killed lol

I think understanding the world around him and doing what his character thinks is right is the only way for Baam to "be a better man" as you say.

This doesn't necessarily mean he should become a selfless hero, and it doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't. If he wants to protect something he should work to protect it. If he wants something destroyed he should work to destroy it. The mark of a mature and wise character is when they understand what they protect and what they destroy; so that they can fully understand what it is they really want to do.

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As for "selfless heriosim", there is something I want to make clear.

You seem like your insinuating that it's inherently a bad thing and, if you are, I must say that I strongly disagree with that. That sort of thing is only bad when an author forces a character to do it for no reason; because that's bad writing. When a character sacrifices for something they believe in there is nothing moronic of naive about it, as long as they really do understand what they are doing and why.

[shaheer]

I'm curious where you see the similarity between Baam/Viole and Himura Kenshin because I don't really see it.

hmm i remember Kenshin to be a mad mass murderer when he was at his teen, living to kill for a higher purpose sith similar to baam(only in that aspect)

You seem like your insinuating that it's inherently a bad thing and, if you are, I must say that I strongly disagree with that. That sort of thing is only bad when an author forces a character to do it for no reason; because that's bad writing. When a character sacrifices for something they believe in there is nothing moronic of naive about it, as long as they really do understand what they are doing and why.

well i was talking about the bad writing part that you are talking abt
to me most of the shonen heros are like that
deliberately made dumb with a sharp/genius side kick (though the side kick doesnt fell that he is one) and super selfless
i want the heros to be more human like rather than being angels or saints

[naruto-niichan]

Interesting discussion, for the most part I can just agree with Jammin that's why instead of me participating I will give everyone a nice present


ToG Comic by SIU

I laughed so hard at Yuri's reaction when she saw Baam really hope the Company will translate it and looking forward to the next comic.


oh and btw it looks like he's drawing that for the 9th Anniversary of Maplestory (a free to play MMORPG).

[phio_chan]

Interesting discussion, for the most part I can just agree with Jammin that's why instead of me participating I will give everyone a nice present


ToG Comic by SIU

I laughed so hard at Yuri's reaction when she saw Baam really hope the Company will translate it and looking forward to the next comic.


oh and btw it looks like he's drawing that for the 9th Anniversary of Maplestory (a free to play MMORPG).

It looks so cute! I wonder what the conversations are about, though... The drawing is so cute that Yuri and Baam made me melt.

[shaheer]

it was a good one
nevertheless i am more interested in seeing the two meet now ie when Baam is viole and has a vendetta against all zahards
i really want to see baam meet androssi and yuri
will he still be bellicose in nature or will he melt a bit is a boiling question

[naruto-niichan]

@shahee that will definitely be an interesting encounter but I guess when they finally meet again it won't end in a fight, without Yuri he would have died right at the start


found a nice ToG MMV



here are some more if you're interested: ToG Vids Thread

[shaheer]

@shahee that will definitely be an interesting encounter but I guess when they finally meet again it won't end in a fight, without Yuri he would have died right at the start

I dont think the author will make Baam meet Yuri when he is like this yea, but i hope the author makes Baam meet androssi. for some reason or other i am more interested in Baam gauging him against his old comrades(nd the strongest one is Androssi so....)
btw do you think Baam can levitate or glide like Laurie now?

[kakashi65]

nah, don´t think he can glide now, maybe in the future, but if he could do all the strong moves of others, he would be overkill, i mean he´s already pretty overkill now...
i also would like to see him in this form against androssi, but how should that happen? Either he will regain some of his good points and climbs up with the others or the rest of the crew of season 2 will be thrown away and he climbs up alone and later meets them again

[shaheer]

nah, don´t think he can glide now, maybe in the future, but if he could do all the strong moves of others, he would be overkill, i mean he´s already pretty overkill now...

i think its a basic/semi advance ability of the wave controllers, if that is the case then it shouldnt be hard for him to do it
seeing he can stop things in mid air as if the force is with him