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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
I'm with Lee, though I liked Jessie's post on the matter FOR Temari. Nonetheless, I don't see Temari 'overpowering' speed of Lee, which in my opinion is one of the best factors for any shinobi to win a fight. Besides:
IMO, at that time Lee wasn't even trying <though, imo xd> And when he started fighting Gaara <when Lee removed his weights in ch. 82> and looking at her faces is also priceless <and it wasn't even gates>Originally Posted by Jessie
Temari is surely stronger than Lee,and much smarter than him,her fan and her ferret would be very useful against a taijutsu user as Lee. but Lee can open at least 5 gates,in this mode,there's no way temari survives...
I dunno, I want to say temari but we have seen a bit more from lee. Temari is a couple of years older than lee to begin with. She was 16 back in the day and was able to easily own tenten before anyone even noticed. There must be a reason she is a jonnin too while lee remains a chunnin. IMO the sound four were actually about as skilled as the current generation of rookies though. In that regard temari was more along the lines of a chunnin than a gennin back in the day which is consistent with her age back then and how badly she owned temari. She also has a range advantage and ninjutsu. Obviously she would lose in a taijutsu fight but that is hardly her thing, she should be more than capable of keeping her distance with her flying fan. I think it makes more sense that temari would be the stronger one so I will go for her.
Yeah, Temari wold be dead if Lee is allowed to continually get close. This is a snake and mongoose fight. Lee has to get close to Temari, and Temari has to keep Lee away. Temari doesn't have an absolute defense like Gaara so she will have to constantly move to keep Lee at a safe distance. While she is nowhere near as fast as Lee, ninja all have a relative speed and excellent reflexes. No fight in Naruto seems to be a speed blitz. Unless you fighting Minato.
One thing I forgot to mention is that we forget Temari's jutsu cuts. Her wind blasts are not just gusts. They cut and can cause damage if not sever limbs. And wind is actually the most deadly element for up-close fighting. So the closer Lee gets, the stronger the cutting power of the wind becomes. The question is can he "tank" any attack with the gates to get close to Temari? Most here would say...yes.
And opening gates shouldn't be taken lightly. It's not going Super Saiyan. It's a last resort attack and has a time limit.
If fighting in Naruto were just speed and taijutsu, then Gai would of won the high tier. But ninjutsu and intelligence are huge factors.
I wonder how lee would fare against temari´s summon. It did take out a sound 4 girl very easily and a sound 4 is not something to take lightly.
Quick thing...She's a Jounin because the sand needed her to be a Jounin. I'm sure that if Lee, Shino or Shikamaru lived in the sand and had the same abilities that they have now, they would all be Kage candidates.
Konoha produces exceptional shinobi, that's why most of the great wars were fought. A konoha chunin is probably on the level of a lot of other villiages jounin.
I don't think that is case. Temari showcase of power showed us exactly why she would be considered a jonin.
I think lee is powerful, but running up against cutting wind is dangerous. And since most here is voting for lee, I'll go with temari.
Her analytical skills are close to shikamaru and she is a deadly fighter. Summoning her weasel would allow the weasel to create cyclones around lee
You may be right because there's an exeption to this rule, and where's an exeption to the rule it is true <or how it says in english >: Yondaime Raikage <I won't count Minato with Hiraishin, as Hiraishin is ninjutsu, right? or forbidden, but jutsu xd>Originally Posted by Jessie
Still.. there are fighters whose speed may be a big advantage over the other fighter...
I wouldn't say "kage candidates" <and not just because there's Gaara > but if that would be true - their only hope would be Jounin title - elders from Sand Village wanted Gaara to be the next kage no matter how you look at it, because they wanted control over the young jinchuuriki. My bet is that if they has someone stronger, they would still pull that trick with kage-jinchuuriki format.Originally Posted by The Exalted
About becoming jounins in Suna - yeah, Temari and Kankurou becoming jounins may not be sth special, especially if we consider factors such as Suna being weak after Konoha crash failed <its not only about how little we know shinobis from that village, its just what they were talking about >
I sincerely doubt any of the rookies safe from naruto or sasuke would be considered kage canditates were they in other villages(technically naruto and sasuke would be candidates for the position in konoha too). The rookies are, well, rookies. their only merit is that they reached the level of mid level ninjas (chunnin) at such a young age for the most part. In that regard they are just that, mid level ninjas. Temari showed she could fight a level above a gennin during the exam (when she defeated temari in an instant) and had more than adequate chunnin level skills when she easily defeated tayuya. Heck, saying temari had back then (when she was 16) skills comparable to the rookies now (who are 15-16) would not be an overstatement IMO. we have technically seen little of both fighters however temari is a far more versatile long ranged fighter. She has the advantage here.
Also, Naruto pwning Asura Pain was a speedblitz. Killer Bee + Raikage vs. Kisame ended with a speedblitz. We actually see blitzes a lot, now that I'm thinking about it, it's just that sometimes the one that's blitzed has means to survive the blitz (like Gaara's sand armor, or Pain having Naraka Path).
We saw her wind cut up trees, etc., yet even when it hit Tenten/Shikamaru, it didn't cut them to pieces...I don't even remember Tayuya losing limbs as a result of her wind tech either. I'm not sure how an attack that cuts through trees doesn't cut through people, but I doubt that Lee would lose limbs to her wind attacks.Quote:
...I think the key point in what you said is "ridiculous ninjutsu." Waving a fan and having chakra-imbued wind isn't really a ridiculous ninjutsu. High-tier ninja aren't going around using mediocre ninjutsu to kick Guy's ass, for example. Taijutsu is still a pretty damn good advantage to have. Obviously, the ideal would be to possess high-level ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu, a la Kakashi, but we don't really see high-level ninja neglecting taijutsu in favor of ninjutsu, no? Outside of Gaara, who doesn't need taijutsu, lolQuote:
It does have a time limit, but I doubt that Lee would need more than the first two gates when dealing with Temari. And if he did go beyond the 2nd gate, the time limit wouldn't be relevant, IMO, as Temari would be getting curbstomped.Quote:
There's a reason why Naruto needed a speed boost so desperately if he was going to fight Sasuke...speed is still probably the most important stat. Sasuke, Deidara, Killer Bee, Raikage, Kakashi, Tsuchikage, Naruto, Itachi, etc. all have pretty damn good speed...it's a necessity once you get to a high level, again barring having defenses like Gaara.Quote:
Temari probably beats some of the Rookie 12 (Tenten, possibly Kiba, possibly Shino, Sakura, possibly Shikamaru, possibly Sai, Ino, possibly Hinata), but the ones with speed are probably her biggest weakness, even if it's not the speed specifically that makes them such (Sasuke, Naruto, Lee, Neji), and she probably can't beat Chouji with his current boost.
The summon seems decent, but it seemed like Tayuya was beaten more by the trees falling on her than the summon's slicing, lol...and Tayuya was probably the weakest in terms of physical combat...I doubt that attack takes out Kimimaro, Sakon/Ukon, Kidoumaru, and maybe Jirobou.
about sound 4,they surely were strong but ,at their best, they defeated 2 jonins and after that they were very tired. those 3 are jonins because they are beasts,and it has nothing to do with origin's villages.
Best comment ever on Gaara in a while which I read! Big THX UchihaHunter for that! XDOriginally Posted by UchihaHunter
hehe, and here I thought you would end with: "unless you have as fast sand as Gaara"Originally Posted by UchihaHunter
I still don't believe that Lee would be overpowered in terms of base speed. I mean, just thinking about him in terms of his base speed <which is without weigths> and Temari, I don't see him losing to her ninjutsu; when she would use one ninjutsu like eg. Kamaitachi no jutsu <or other bigger Dai versions or sth, or even summon>, Lee would just apear behind her and thats it. I don't see Lee not dodging such attacks with his speed <maybe I exagerate, but I'm counting here 2 things: the speed of Lee and the speed of usage of ninjutsu by Temari>
How come i can see the results?I was gonna vote for the bird..as it's abit pathetic that no girls
are deemed to be any good.How sexist is that!!!lmao.Anyways i'm not too fussed.Naruto has the
body flicker aka FTG...no?It matters not.He's faster than the Raikage and now he's gonna crush
anyone put before him...Itachi my boy.But this time he loses...make it happen MODS
The junior green beast of Konoha takes this in a pretty comfortable manner, and therefore he advances to the semis where he will meet the might of the Kaguya clan.