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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
@ White Silver King
Inference of possible jutsu on Kakashi's part isn't retarded because it's been stated everywhere that Kakashi's copied such a vast volume of jutsu. Sarutobi's been said to know every jutsu in Konoha in the manga itself so are you gonna say it's retarded to infer that he an use any non-bloodline jutsu in Konoha? It's info taken straight from the source, dude.
I love when people say you aren't reading the manga when people have already given you examples from the manga prior to your post...but please carry on, lol...
So she was unaffected by rain (which has harmed no one), and a bubble attack that seemed more focused on cleaning the oil off her than attacking anyone...clearly that means that she's unaffected by Suiton, and Suiton with a Raiton going through it...whatever you guys say...
That comment was about the Kaiton not the Sution.Quote:
And my bad about the suiton.
But has it ever been said that among those 1000 jutsu is an oil one? Nope. It's been argued in literally every single one of these tournament threads that people can only use jutsu that have appeared in the manga hype aside. And the inability of suiton and katon to affect her in any signigicant way is taken straight from the manga, dude.Quote:
The rain isn't meant to hurt anyone. People think water will make her useless, but she can use her paper in the rain.Quote:
Last edited by White Silver King; June 24, 2011 at 11:33 AM.
I think ppl were saying that suiton techniques can do sth to her, not that some normal water can do. Water techniques are chakra enhanced, it wasn't normal water to begin with <like her paper isn't normal paper >. And if she is hit she can block it, she can be put to the ground, she can be pushed, she can evade, whatever. Its not like Kakashi uses suiton tech. and Konan will not be affected in any way, even in her Paper Angel form. You sound as if using suiton tech. is completely useless - Kakashi because of eg. suiton can nicely observe what Konan does and make some combo move.Originally Posted by White Silver King
Kakashi, to me, is the ninja's ninja, so I don't believe Konan could defeat him. What I mean by "ninja's ninja" is that Kakashi is one of the most well-rounded shinobi in the series. He relies on his physical ability as much as his intellect.
The one most important thing I think Konan has in her favor is that she can keep her distance. Also, Kakashi seemingly has a low chakra reserve, so using multiple ninjutsu (in other words, long ranged attacks) might not be suitable for him.
But like I said, Kakashi is a ninja's ninja. He supposedly knows a ton of jutsu, and he managed against a couple of Pains for a little while. And he is apparently smarter than Konan.
Konan's paper does catch on fire, but she can always create more with relative ease: Jiraya's fire jutsu didn't really hinder her.
But whatever xd
I know, bro. But she has been shown to create a ridiculous amount of paper. Which is why I said that if she's covered in oil and then set on fire, as sadistic as it sounds, she's toast.
Jutsu aside, Kakashi's smarter than Konan and has a huge arsenal of jutsu at his disposal. Following the rules, we can only go by what's only been seen in the manga. Lamentably, Konan hasn't shown a whole lot. Besides, we've already seen Kakashi hide in the ground and then send out a clone to scout the opponent before then using himself. Kakashi wins this hands down.
That was at the end of the fight after she had used that massive technique though, even she said she was surprised at how much chakra that had taken. When Konan gets low on chakra she has to stop using that form, when Kakashi does he collapses as he can't turn of his sharingan. So it isn't really a fair interpretation.Quote:
Kakashi always knows when using Kamui (or any chakra-intensive jutsu) will take him down to a dangerous level of chakra, while Konan ran "countless simulations," etc. and was still surprised by running out of chakra...in terms of intelligence/strategic planning/knowing one's limits, Kakashi has that hands down. I don't think Kakashi is running out of chakra to fight against an opponent that isn't hax.
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And again, she got hit with a counter Katon by someone not attempting to press the issue and fight her. Considering that her paper did get burned, and that she expends chakra to produce the paper, how would using Katon not affect her significantly? Are you going to tell me that if she's getting hit by Itachi or Sasuke's Katon techs repeatedly, she's going to come out unscathed? The Katon point isn't really relevant since we haven't seen Kakashi use Katon in the manga, but you're acting as if the only elemental tech that can harm her paper is oil.
Just wanna point out that Konan's paper isn't fire resistant. She soaks her paper in water to make it fire resistant. According to the wiki atleast. If it's not already raining or she's not got water nearby, her paper is just plain old flammable paper.
Doesn't really matter though, considering Kakashi can't use katon anyway. But his raiton may do the trick.
She's able to control the papers while she's in a bunch of single pieces. So transforming into a bunch of butterflies means there would be no solid target for Kamui. Her paper may not be indestructible, but it's not exactly easy to damage either. Jiraiya shot her with an oil enhanced fire and it only damaged some of her papers. Same with the insects. True she can be killed easier when she runs low on chakra, but will Kakashi last that long? She was able to continuous bombard Madara for ten full minutes and was still able to control some paper for an attack.
False. Again, the attack was not oil enhanced, can we please stop saying that?Quote:
What oil? What oil is here? Do you see oil? I don't see oil. Does anyone else see oil? Ok, so we agree that there was no oil.
Considering she had been preparing for that encounter for a while...I would really hope that she would know when he was going to turn solid.Quote:
In addition, why are we assuming she's going to be explosive-tagged up? If she had them on her person, why didn't she blow up Jiraiya? She went to spear him, but decided not to use the tags (which are actually pretty decent as far as attack damage goes). She also knew he had the Toad Silhouette technique, so not expecting it...really doesn't say a lot of good things about her strategic mind. Also, she ambushed Jiraiya...ambushing someone isn't the same as encountering them face-to-face; I doubt that she'd catch on to Kakashi that easily, and even if she did, he's been shown to get underground quite quickly.
Edit: Regarding the master plan vs. the suicidal plan; I'd think it's really hard to surprise Madara with explosive tags after you've bombarded him for 10min with them...maybe she just figured that she'd die either way if the master plan failed.
Last edited by UchihaHunter; June 24, 2011 at 11:15 PM.