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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
I don't think it would be nearly as easy a win for Sasuke as some are making out, but I think Sasuke would eventually prevail. After all, he has EMS now and has shown proficiency with all of it's techniques.
The reason I think this would be close is because Jiraiya has such a variety of ninjutsu. In Sage Mode I think Jiraiya could push Sasuke to rely on Susanoo like he had to when he was facing the Raikage's brute strength. Then there's Jiraiya's sage mode genjutsu which seemed fairly powerful (unless owning a Rinnegan doesn't offer up some kind of minor defense against genjutsu). And of course, Jiraiya has a wealth of summons too: those three huge frog fighters and Ma and Pa toad.
If Jiraiya could hold his own in a fight where he was severely outnumbered (Konan, 6 Paths of Pain, and multiple summons) and had little information beforehand on the enemies abilities, I think he would last a while against Sasuke, but eventually be overwhelmed.
*sigh* Fanboys will allow Sasuke to win this, when OBVIOUSLY he wouldn't stand a chance against Jiraiya's stamina, knowledge, and chakra reserves.
Pain said it best, if Jiraiya knew about all 6 paths of Pain...
Pain would have loss. So yeah...whatever.
^Why don't you read some of the arguments before you insult all the people giving rational explanations as to why Jiraiya can't win.
Even if Jiraiya could hinder Susanoo's movements, that wouldn't stop Sasuke from simply launching Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi at him while he's immobile. And Sasuke already showed he has the ability to use genjutsu to instantly knock a person out. That's just as good as an instant kill.
Hinder Susanoo's movements? Lol, what movements? It doesn't move. It just swings it's arms and shoots arrows. I mean, I guess if Sasuke walked forward it would go with, but I doubt it.
Unless you mean he'll hit him with a strong enough jutsu for him to block with Susanoo that'll keep him immobile. To which I say he can destroy his oncoming jutsu with Amaterasu, meaning he doesn't require Susanoo to defend when he can burn right through Jiraiya's own attacks. Katon atleast.
You mean the summons that Sasuke will take control of with Genjutsu and make fight Jiraiya? Or the summons that Sasuke can one-shot with Chidori Eisou?Originally Posted by juUnior
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Rather than blame fanboyism, why not provide explanation why you think Jiraiya would win? Unless you can't find any and are just unhappy Jiraiya will lose.
Pain is not Sasuke, he's less intelligent. It's about match-ups and this match is worse for Jiraiya.
This is strange for me, because in my mind, Sasuke's character is currently near-blind and in limbo until we see otherwise. Does Sasuke actually have Itachi's eyes? We're talking about Madara here, who has made a hobby of lying to people. We already know he's lied to Sasuke to some extent (with his comment to Zetsu that he wants Sasuke to be a pawn for Gedo Mazo). And what if he has EMS? Again, the only person who should know anything about EMS is Madara, the notorious liar. The general idea seems to be that once Sasuke has MS, he can spam sharingan techniques to his heart's content without going blind, but is that 100% true? Obviously there is the revolving-door issue of Madara's abilities and why he, a supposed EMS user, only uses genjutsu and his S/T technique (there are 100 possible reasons; be it he's not the real Madara, he had to use Izanagi on his EMS eyes, etc). Right now, EMS, to me, is like the old 'obvious rule' that you can only gain EMS by killing your best friend. We know that's not actually true. Not saying I necessarily think there's a high chance Sasuke will eventually be shown without EMS, but even if he does have EMS, we really have no precedent to say how powerful it is.
So until the Manga shows he actually has EMS and what its power actually is, I'm inclined to think of this as Jiraiya (when he fought Pain) versus Sasuke as he was when he fought Danzou. Lots of unanswerables, here -- would Swamp of the Underworld be able to sink and hold Susano'o itself? Danzou's summon's wind technique was able to directly affect Susano'o. We also haven't seen if Susano'o can be independently affected by Genjutsu (it seems to react independently of its user's thoughts, so there's no reason it shouldn't be possible). I don't think Sasuke can take Jiraiya without Susano'o in full force.
Whether the manga has proven that Sasuke has EMS doesn't matter for the tournament because he has been given it as per the rules. Just like how Nagato is healthy and in his own body rather than having his Pein realms, and how Itachi's blindness is removed.
Still so many assumptions -- so how does chidori nagashi really affect swamp of the underworld? Using Chidori nagashi to 'disarm' earth-element bombs, makes sense. We've also seen where raiton techniques can easily pierce earth-based techniques -- okay, sounds good. How does it work out practically in this case? Swamp of the Underworld is a technique under Sasuke's footing -- so what does Chidori Nagashi do? Negate the ground below him? So what, would he fall into the swamp (though not be stuck, per se).
And again, the question isn't about using Swamp of the Underworld on Sasuke -- it's about using it specifically on Susano'o, as a counter.
Well, sasuke could handle the raikage so it is very clear he is in jiraiya's league. I doubt jiraiya would have an easy time even with HM. Susanoo, controlled amaterasu, a still weak tsukioyomi.... Even kakashi could not actually dodge the arrows from susanoo, he had to waste a third of his chakra with MS to live. I have to go for sasuke here, the kid is damn strong and on top of that has those very useful MS techniques.
Ohh you mean Summons that can withstand alot of damage can be 1shot by Chidori, because its Sasuke? Ohh come on.. Shinra tensei couldnt dispose of them, why the hell would chidori do so?
Not gonna argue that Sasuke is going to win this regardless of the arguments for various reasons, but stop bringing up bullshit mate, Jiraiya isnt going to be as easy as your trying to make it sound.
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-I know i said i was going to stay out of Uchiha fights, but the posts in here are extremely ridiculous.
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If there was a place for him to prepare, like a tunnel etc, then yes He would have a chance to beat Sasuke, but in an open field, nada.