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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Breaking the ground wouldn't make it hard for Suigetsu to move, but it would give him more paces to hid in his liquid form. Can that really be considered the same when we have no idea what Chouji was doing before he saved Shikamaru?

    Why would a thunderclap daze Suigetsu? At worst case it would simply reduce him to liquid, which being the whole situation back around to Chouji not being able to do a thing to hurt him.
    Yes it can be considered. Let's asume he was some 10 meters away from him and it still is impresive.

    Ok let's say he is reduced to liquid, the next ting that comes is a chakra fist that is going to do some bad damage on suigestsu staming/chakra. I am sure Suigetsu is not Flash in liquid form to dodge a giant fist coming down.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Yes it can be considered. Let's asume he was some 10 meters away from him and it still is impresive.

    Ok let's say he is reduced to liquid, the next ting that comes is a chakra fist that is going to do some bad damage on suigestsu staming/chakra. I am sure Suigetsu is not Flash in liquid form to dodge a giant fist coming down.
    Suigetsu tanked one of the greatest chakra's jutsu : Hachibi's canon, he was KO but survived it. I just don't see Chouji having the same level of power of Hachibi's jutsu with his enhanced fist.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Gatsuga View Post
    Suigetsu tanked one of the greatest chakra's jutsu : Hachibi's canon, he was KO but survived it. I just don't see Chouji having the same level of power of Hachibi's jutsu with his enhanced fist.
    He had the help from a lake to do that though. Something that isn't present in this fight.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Gatsuga View Post
    Suigetsu tanked one of the greatest chakra's jutsu : Hachibi's canon, he was KO but survived it. I just don't see Chouji having the same level of power of Hachibi's jutsu with his enhanced fist.
    1-He had a lake to back him up.
    2-The biju blast is one shot and Chouji can trow multiple punches (that have chakra on them). 1 punch created a HUGE shockwave across the battlefield.
    3-The biju blast is not a focused attack. Most of the force is going to be lost in the area surounding Suigetsu. Now i am not saying a punch is more powerfull but still. You could even say that Chouji's punch has more of a kick on a square meter then the Biju blast as the biju blast disipates its force on a wide area.

    I see no reason why he can't incapacitate Suigetsu and that is a win. Chouji's punch has more of a kick on a square meter
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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    The thing about Suigetsu is that his water form is never defined in the manga. I don't recall him ever able to just liquefy and drown everybody in his path. Maybe its highly chakra intensive or that it has a time limit? Idk. If Chouji keeps squashing him into a puddle, I don't see Suigetsu having the ability to reform himself an infinite amount of times.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    The thing about Suigetsu is that his water form is never defined in the manga. I don't recall him ever able to just liquefy and drown everybody in his path. Maybe its highly chakra intensive or that it has a time limit? Idk. If Chouji keeps squashing him into a puddle, I don't see Suigetsu having the ability to reform himself an infinite amount of times.
    Well only 1 hit from the 8 tails and was enough to stop that. Suigetsu even had a lake to help him out.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Yes it can be considered. Let's asume he was some 10 meters away from him and it still is impresive.

    Ok let's say he is reduced to liquid, the next ting that comes is a chakra fist that is going to do some bad damage on suigestsu staming/chakra. I am sure Suigetsu is not Flash in liquid form to dodge a giant fist coming down.
    Who cares about Suigetsu using a lake to tank a full chakra blast. None of that applies to this battle. Because there is presumably no lake, and Chouji doesn't know anything other then physically enhanced attacks.

    Suigetsu does not "turn on and off" his liquidation ability. All indications point to it being a natural ability that is always present. And a physical punch, whether or not enhanced by chakra, is still just a physical punch. It makes absolutely no difference whether or not a 10 year old hits something made of water or if the world strongest man hits it as well. Water is not steel or any other hard surface. In this case physical strength against it is absolutely useless. While on the other hand Suigetsu has his sword and even if Chouji goes King Kong mode he is still going to be susceptible to harm. Not to mention that in that form his vital points are that much more vulnerable and exposed. Suigetsu is a trained killer, he isn't going to waste time attacking Chouji's arms or legs or torso. He is going to go straight for the jugular.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Chouji has a form of ultimate defense: Like Gaara wears an armor of sand above his skin, Chouji has the armor of fat underneath his skin, which will automatically protect him. Suigetsu can't reach Chouji's vitals.
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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Who cares about Suigetsu using a lake to tank a full chakra blast. None of that applies to this battle. Because there is presumably no lake, and Chouji doesn't know anything other then physically enhanced attacks.

    Suigetsu does not "turn on and off" his liquidation ability. All indications point to it being a natural ability that is always present. And a physical punch, whether or not enhanced by chakra, is still just a physical punch. It makes absolutely no difference whether or not a 10 year old hits something made of water or if the world strongest man hits it as well. Water is not steel or any other hard surface. In this case physical strength against it is absolutely useless. While on the other hand Suigetsu has his sword and even if Chouji goes King Kong mode he is still going to be susceptible to harm. Not to mention that in that form his vital points are that much more vulnerable and exposed. Suigetsu is a trained killer, he isn't going to waste time attacking Chouji's arms or legs or torso. He is going to go straight for the jugular.
    You do know that a biju blast left him incapacitated after he had a lake to back him right? You also know that Fatboy can punch with a chakra punch that sent a HUGE shockwave over the entire battlefield right? That chakra punch is going to do the same thing vs Suigetsu as the biju was able to do(even if he needs more then 1 punch).

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    You do know that a biju blast left him incapacitated after he had a lake to back him right? You also know that Fatboy can punch with a chakra punch that sent a HUGE shockwave over the entire battlefield right? That chakra punch is going to do the same thing vs Suigetsu as the biju was able to do(even if he needs more then 1 punch).
    And you do know that Suigetsu isn't facing the Hachibi and that Chouji can't even come close to performing anything like the Bijuu bomb right? I already explained that straight up physical attacks are pretty meaningless against a form of liquid such as water. Its just simple physics. One guy physically attacking an area of water is going to have the same affect on that water as 10 guys physically attacking it. Sorry, purely physical attacks can't do jack shit to a liquid such as water. The water doesn't resist the physical force thats acting upon it like a solid surface does. Instead water displace all the energy and lets it pass through and around it. We have seen plenty examples of Suigetsu's water body acting in such a manner. Physically you can cut, break, bruise, and bend solid surfaces. None of that applies to a liquid like water. And all Chouji has in his arsenal are physical attacks that he increases via his chakra.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    I agree... comparing a punch to a Bijuu Blast is more then flawed. A Bijuu Blast is compareable to a plasma or laser beam, it emits concentrated heat which would evaporate the water. A punch is simply a punch... and it doesn't matter if its producing some shockwaves or not. Those shockwaves are simply air disturbances created by the coliding forces and not some deadly energy blasts.

    Unless of course Chouji as capable of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx
    And you do know that Suigetsu isn't facing the Hachibi and that Chouji can't even come close to performing anything like the Bijuu bomb right? I already explained that straight up physical attacks are pretty meaningless against a form of liquid such as water. Its just simple physics.
    You do realise its Narutoverse we're talking about? It was proven that when Suigetsu is hit with sth 'heavy', he is 'demolished' in puddle-looking thingy. In the case with Hachibi he was upgraded with the water besides him, took bijuu bomb head on, and was like puddle which he cannot reform itself. In this case a punch of Chouji - weaker than bijuu bomb but still Suigetsu is also weaker due to not having water nearby - and the effect its probably the same <or like it was said: maybe not 1 but 2 punches, whatever>
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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Suigetsu needs water to reform: a punch from Chouji would turn him into a water puddle, which can be split, which would leave Suigetsu with less water and therefor stamina.

    After some punches and water splits, Suigetsu is finaly defeated because he runs out of stamina.
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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    I agree... comparing a punch to a Bijuu Blast is more then flawed. A Bijuu Blast is compareable to a plasma or laser beam, it emits concentrated heat which would evaporate the water. A punch is simply a punch... and it doesn't matter if its producing some shockwaves or not. Those shockwaves are simply air disturbances created by the coliding forces and not some deadly energy blasts.

    Unless of course Chouji as capable of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw
    The biju blast is more destructive in a WIDE area. The biju blast is not a focused attack. Also FatBoy is not hitting with his fist but with a chakra creap made around his entire blasted hand. Biju blast is a blast made out of chakra, his punch is a punch with chakra. Same crep. Chouji looked to do more damage(debatebel) in a square meter then a biju would do in a square meter. As long as the force of the blast is spreading around its not the same thing as applying a concentrated force in 1 area.

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    Re: Chouji vs. Suigetsu

    Suigetsu doens't have to die in order for Chōji to win. He merely needs to be incapacitated.

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