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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    And how exactly is he going to bang around Kimimaro when he completely covers himself with bone spikes? Lee will just impale and tear up his legs and fists while doing so... and on top of that the stress from the gates on his body... ? He's just goig to kill himself.
    So he cuts himself a little, it's not like he's giving Kimi a bear hug, he's thrashing him all around and up into the air. Kimi's bones have been exposed to extreme amounts of pressure, not extreme amounts of force through a blunt object. Despite being stronger than steel, its extremely possible Lee with break the bones while he hits Kimi.

    And how is he going to kill himself? When he opened 5 gates vs. Gaara he was exausted and hurt because he was 13-14 years old. He's now 16-17 and in better shape. As we saw when Gai opened 6 Gates against the Kisame clone, if your body is in shape and you don't leave the gates open too long you can be fine afterwards.

    So, Lee is cut up and tired after opening 5 gates and what is Kimi? Is he fine? No, his brain is probably a mess from slamming into the side of his skulls repeatedly.
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    You imagine just some tiny bone spikes but what exactly prevents Kimimaro from making them thicker and just as long as Rock Lee's arms? He would be completely unable to land a hit on Kimis body without impaling himself.
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    You imagine just some tiny bone spikes but what exactly prevents Kimimaro from making them thicker and just as long as Rock Lee's arms? He would be completely unable to land a hit on Kimis body without impaling himself.
    What prevents Lee from smashing them away? Again these bones are strong, but they aren't indestructable, there is a difference between withstanding pressure and withstanding concentrated force designed specifically to break things.
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by lordHokage View Post
    When Rock Lee and Kimimaro fought each other, they were not in tiptop shape and even though Kimimaro played his trump card, Lee was still under Doctor's orders. Under pressure, bones can be broken. Rock Lee wins.
    but the bones were not so your logic still fails

    Kimmimaro never even tried when fighting Lee he used his more powerful tech's on Gaara

    Kimmimaro was dying Lee was not Kimmimaro was in much worse shape and was slaughtering Lee he was nowere near as fast as normal and Lee is not strong enough to break Kimmimaro's bones and he never will be

    the gates will not be strong enough to hurt Kimmimaro they will just result in Lee's death and Kimmi being fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    What prevents Lee from smashing them away? Again these bones are strong, but they aren't indestructable, there is a difference between withstanding pressure and withstanding concentrated force designed specifically to break things.
    because it tanked several tons of pressure somthing Lee can't match

    Lee was unable to break Gaara's sand defence with his gates while Kimmi could do so with a tackle Lee won't be able to break the bones no one can break the bones no one

    Orochimaru said no ammont of physcal attack can break those bones he can cover his whole body in bones and defend from any angle

    Lee kicked him with a gate active and it did sqat did not even flinch Lee's stronger but he is still a chunin
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    What prevents Lee from smashing them away? Again these bones are strong, but they aren't indestructable, there is a difference between withstanding pressure and withstanding concentrated force designed specifically to break things.
    If you think those bones will break then thats fine with me, but I will trust what was said in the Manga: Orochimaru said those bones are impenetrable and can withstand any physical attack.

    Also keep in mind he actually desired Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai more then the Sharingan.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-206-17...apter-201.html

    Why would Orochimaru with his freakish body and regeneration want this Kekkei Genkai so much if it wouldn't grant him physical invulnerability? From what we've seen from him he can already detach, stretch and regenerate his skeleton, so why would he want this Kekkei Genkai more then the Sharingan if those bones could be broken by Taijutsu?

    From what we've seen they are strong enough to withstand even Chakra Stream weapons... the same type of weapons which cut through Kubikiribōchō like butter. This alone proves that his bones are actually much more dense and resilent then simple steel.

    Seriously... this fight is like putting Bruce Lee against the Terminator -.-
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterEnvy View Post

    because it tanked several tons of pressure somthing Lee can't match

    Lee was unable to break Gaara's sand defence with his gates while Kimmi could do so with a tackle Lee won't be able to break the bones no one can break the bones no one

    Orochimaru said no ammont of physcal attack can break those bones he can cover his whole body in bones and defend from any angle

    Lee kicked him with a gate active and it did sqat did not even flinch Lee's stronger but he is still a chunin
    Bury a piece of steel under severeal tons of pressure, dig it up and it'll be fine. Hit it hard enough with something and it'll break or bend.

    Pressure does not equal brunt force. Same concept how a submarine can be thousands of feet underwater, but when the force of an explosion from a torpedo hits it, it's structure can break and crack.

    As for Orochimaru, he was proven wrong many times. Similar to how we were told only a MS user could stop Tsyukiyomi and Sasuke, Bee, and Danxou all saw through it somehow. Rules are made to be broken, just like Kimi's bones.

    When did Lee activate a gate vs. Kimi? And does 1 gate from injured 14 year old Lee equal the force of full strength 5 gates from 17 year old Lee? Not even close.

    And Lee is a chunnin? Why is he a chunnin? Because he is weak? No, it's because he isn't a leader type like Jounin's are supposed to be. Ebisu is a fucking Jounin for crying out loud, is he stronger than Lee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    If you think those bones will break then thats fine with me, but I will trust what was said in the Manga: Orochimaru said those bones are impenetrable and can withstand any physical attack.

    Also keep in mind he actually desired Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai more then the Sharingan.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-206-17...apter-201.html

    Why would Orochimaru with his freakish body and regeneration want this Kekkei Genkai so much if it wouldn't grant him physical invulnerability? From what we've seen from him he can already detach, strech and regenerate his skeleton, so why would he want this Kekkei Genkai more then the Sharingan if those bones could be broken by Taijutsu?

    From what we've seen they are strong enough to withstand even Chakra Stream weapons... the same type of weapons which cut through Kubikiribōchō like butter. This alone proves that his bones are actually much more dense and resilent then simple steel.

    Seriously... this fight is like putting Bruce Lee against the Terminator -.-
    And yet the manga has told many things that were later proved wrong.

    Orochimaru stated he had the body he desired most, but not the Kekkai Genkai. His goal was to learn all the jutsu in the world, he couldn't do that with Kimi's Kekkai Genkai, he'd have to use Sasuke's.
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Bury a piece of steel under severeal tons of pressure, dig it up and it'll be fine. Hit it hard enough with something and it'll break or bend.
    There's one little problem with this though. Kimimaro was not gently buried with a shovel but by whole Tsunamis of Sand crashing into him.

    Look at what the Tsunami did in japan and how much destruction it caused... thats the force that Kimi was getting hit with.
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

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    So, Lee is cut up and tired after opening 5 gates and what is Kimi? Is he fine? No, his brain is probably a mess from slamming into the side of his skulls repeatedly.
    By that argument, Gaara should be dead. He got bounced around like a rubber ball on meth with Lee's Hidden Lotus and he was fine when he got up by coating himself in sand.

    And if people get to spam the "Well, Lee was sick so he'll be much stronger now." argument then Kimi voters more than get the opportunity to argue the same thing. Kimi's illness was incredibly more devastating than Lee's and he still take care of Naruto, Lee and Gaara right after the other.
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    we don't know if Lee can use more than 5 gates now,nor if he still can use the first 5. but I doubt that with 5 gates now he can overcome naruto powered by 9-tails and gaara. then Kimi wins!

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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Bury a piece of steel under severeal tons of pressure, dig it up and it'll be fine. Hit it hard enough with something and it'll break or bend.

    Pressure does not equal brunt force. Same concept how a submarine can be thousands of feet underwater, but when the force of an explosion from a torpedo hits it, it's structure can break and crack.

    As for Orochimaru, he was proven wrong many times. Similar to how we were told only a MS user could stop Tsyukiyomi and Sasuke, Bee, and Danxou all saw through it somehow. Rules are made to be broken, just like Kimi's bones.

    When did Lee activate a gate vs. Kimi? And does 1 gate from injured 14 year old Lee equal the force of full strength 5 gates from 17 year old Lee? Not even close.

    And Lee is a chunnin? Why is he a chunnin? Because he is weak? No, it's because he isn't a leader type like Jounin's are supposed to be. Ebisu is a fucking Jounin for crying out loud, is he stronger than Lee?

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    And yet the manga has told many things that were later proved wrong.

    Orochimaru stated he had the body he desired most, but not the Kekkai Genkai. His goal was to learn all the jutsu in the world, he couldn't do that with Kimi's Kekkai Genkai, he'd have to use Sasuke's.
    The Hidden Lotus requires you to open the first gate, one of the reasons its a forbidden technique.

    For the torpedo example, it isn't the torpedo itself its the effects it has on the air inside the submarine. There is a reason the blast marks are generally coming OUT rather than going in. Its the same reason Depth charges were used to such effectivness.

    About Ebisu, we haven't actually seen him fight so, he could actually be quite strong just not on the Kakashi/Gai level. I see him fairing against someone of Kurenai's standard. For all we know Ebisu could just use a genjutsu on Lee and win.

    Finally about the Orochimaru, everything about him seems weird. Especially his body possession jutsu considering he was ment to have used one body from the Itachi confronation all the way to finally changing before Sasuke arrived, which is over 6 years. Yet his second one was already failing after 3? Would Sasukes or Kimis do the same? Never the less, I would imagine the Kaguya kekkei genkai to be similar to that of a Senjus supposed bloodline, in that he is physically superior in numerous ways. An Orochimaru with Sasukes body is scary, but so is Orochimaru with Kimimaros. From what we have been shown with his jutsu and healing Kimi has shown, it would take something unique to even damage Orochimaru; and even then he can just pop out a new body like nothing and I doubt the same trick works twice. (delete the Sharingan genjutsu from this statement :P )

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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    lee is strong but not strong enough to defeat kimimaro and his Kekkei Genkai (Shikotsu Myaku), i hope to see kimimaro fighting soon now that he came back as ET zombie.

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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by juUnior View Post
    Wow, I'm surprised, I thought it was pretty clear <or at least I thought that to myself > I mean: back then he was forced to do it underground by Gaara. Now imagine Kimimaro doing it while standing: from his body just goes bones/bones structures everywhere just trashing the real body of KImimaro, and within that structure Kimimaro can move whenever he wants <as he appeared before Gaara and Lee and almost finished them> Yeah, I see it that way at least. Someone may ask how the hell he can get back to normal: well, he has regeneration abilities with using his kg, right? xP
    Haha well it would just seems very awkward to me if it really does work that way. Though if he's not underground, this dance would have lack the element of surprise where bones started growing from the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Silver King View Post
    And if people get to spam the "Well, Lee was sick so he'll be much stronger now." argument then Kimi voters more than get the opportunity to argue the same thing. Kimi's illness was incredibly more devastating than Lee's and he still take care of Naruto, Lee and Gaara right after the other.
    Though Kimi had the help of the curse seal so it's different in that sense. Besides, Kimimaro didn't show any sign of slowing down or anything due to his sickness anyway until he died at the end. Unlike Lee who was said to be slower and stuff as commented by Gaara.

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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Rock Lee did give Kimimaro a fight when they encountered each other in Part 1, but considering the hype Kimimaro had received, his databook statistics, and the fact that Lee came to the fight straight from an life-and-death operation, I'm inclined to believe that Kimimaro' prowess was heavily impaired by his sickness - which eventually killed him later in the battle.

    That being said, Rock Lee in Part II can most likely match Kimimaro's Taijutsu prowess and speed, and with 5 gates open, could almost certainly outclass him in speed. But given Kimimaro's kekkei genkai; Shikotsumyaku, I heavily doubt that Rock Lee, even with gates, can inflict any significant injury to Kimimaro.

    Consequently, I see the match going more and more in Kimimaro favour after Rock Lee has opened the gates, as the gates drain Rock Lee's strength and stamina more and more.

    My vote goes to Kimimaro.

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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunlim View Post
    Haha well it would just seems very awkward to me if it really does work that way. Though if he's not underground, this dance would have lack the element of surprise where bones started growing from the ground.

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    Though Kimi had the help of the curse seal so it's different in that sense. Besides, Kimimaro didn't show any sign of slowing down or anything due to his sickness anyway until he died at the end. Unlike Lee who was said to be slower and stuff as commented by Gaara.
    Kimmimaro already said himself that he was not able to move and was doing so out of will power alone

    how is Gaara supposed to know that Kimmimaro is slower then normal he never met the guy Kimmimaro was badly impared

    the only time he had difficulty with Lee was when he got drunk because he could not prodict him their
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    Re: Lee vs Kimimaro

    I have to go for kimimaru and by quite a bit. Kimimaru being defeated in a taijutsu fight seems extremely unlikely for the most part. For one thing, lee's style focuses on breaking bones and whatnot. In that regard he is in a big disadvantage as if kimimaru's bones are broken he can simply ripp them off and grown new ones. Kimimaru also has a pretty good bone armor, strong enough to withstand the earth pressure 200 meters underground and not be crushed. In that regard even getting to kimimaru's delicate inner organs will be majorly dificult for lee. Curse seal just makes things that much more complicated. I think lee is outclassed here. For the fight to be even we would need gai vs kimimaru IMO lol.

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