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Firstly, Sasuke and Itachi are not equals. Itachi is far stronger, and only kept himself alive through taking any and every medicine to allow himself to die by Sasukes' hand. That is to say, he was very much dying when fighting Sasuke, and still managed to corner him, and could've killed him if it was his choice.
Secondly, Jiraiya and Gaara aren't exactly equals either. Sure, Gaara is the Kazekage, but a few years ago (in the Naruto timeline), he was defeated by a Konoha genin (and that was when he had the chakra of a tailed beast). Sure, an exceptionally talented Konoha genin, but a genin nonetheless.
Jiraiya, on the other hand, taught Naruto a lot of what he currently knows, and was capable of defeating three people who could see through each others eyes (with some backup, however).
Despite all of this, I do see your point. I think you're mainly considering the sharingan in that comparison (if I'm wrong, please correct me). However, Itachis' strength lies in much more than just the sharingan.
An example being that he can initiate a genjutsu through the mere act of pointing at someone.
Also, Gaara doesn't have anything to repel genjutsu of Itachis' calibre anymore (since he's bijuu-less). Considering Kurenai, a genjutsu specialist, and a fully fledged Jonin, and Kakashi, a kage worthy jonin, were both incapacitated (well, in the former case, just beaten) by Itachi and his genjutsu, I don't see Gaara doing anything special.
I get that Gaara has the ability to easily close in on the enemy, but Itachi has a fighting style that melds all three jutsu styles together in a way so seamless, the opponent doesn't know what is coming next.
Still, I'll hold off on voting, I don't really feel like thinking this battle through. Gaara would be able to beat Amaterasu quite easily at the very least, however, Itachis' Susanoo would cause problems, since he has the Yata mirror (capable of reflecting any and all attacks), and the sword of Totsuka (which seals the opponent in a genjutsu-like alternate dimension). Anywho, that's all I have to say.
He could but I find it hard to believe since Gaara can multitask very well. Even Kimimaru who has a 5 in the DB couldn't get close enough until he went CS2 if I remember correctly. Itachi at the very least would need a genjutsu to help him get pass the defenses and attacks.
As for Itachi using genjutsu, I fully expect him to do and fool Gaara. Subtle genjutsu has shown to be much more effective in the manga than overpowering genjutsu, and Itachi is the master of both.
Itachi is definitely the master of genjutsu here. There's no doubt about that. I would actually say most of his fights will be won by his usage of genjutsu rather than overpowering his opponents with MS.
As awesome as Gaara is, he is clearly outmatched with Itachi here. There's nothing he can do about his excessively powerful genjutsu's. If by some miracle he does bypass his genjutsu's, then he may have a shot but nothing shows that he can beat Itachi's illusions.
Ameterasu can be handled with his regular sand abilities., while Susanoo can be handled by burying it, and Itachi along with it, hundreds of meters under ground. The Yata mirror will be able to deflect direct attacks but indirect attacks such as Gokusa Maiso will likely get through.
Still theres the problem of Tsukuyomi and I see no way to avoid it without fighting blind.
EDIT: Wonder if his new Sensor Sand would let him fight blind so that he can wall himself up and fight from the sky with large scale attacks and wear Itachi down. That would likely mean he's experienced Itachi's genjutsu's at least once in the fight and I'm not sure if he would survive even that.
Kimimaro was a 4.5, but to be fair, he was dying when he fought Gaara and Lee, lol...I'd think his body was in worse condition than Lee's, and he was still able to handle Lee's speed.
Edit: In addition, Lee already stated during the fight that Gaara had gotten stronger, and Gaara definitely did whatever was in his power to keep Kimimaro away (trapping him by the feet early in the fight with the sand, using Desert Coffin, burying him under the sand, etc.) as opposed to the Lee fight, where he was pretty content just letting his auto defense do the work.
Man, after reading all of Gaara's recent fights...Susanoo and genjutsu are really the only way Itachi can win...Itachi's fast enough to use KBs to avoid taking massive damage, I suppose, but wow, he's really going to have to manipulate the fight to get to the point to win. Gaara is a freaking beast.
Last edited by UchihaHunter; June 28, 2011 at 01:36 AM.
Well this is clearly Itachi's win, Gaara might be able to defend against physical attacks, however he can't escape a genjutsu, or susanoo.
Actually, Gaara wouldn't know about Itachi's finger. Even if Gaara had the knowledge to not look at Itachi's eyes, he'd still look at Itachi's finger and get into a genjutsu. Even Deidara had no idea about the genjutsu Itachi placed on him until way later, and probably neither would have Sasuke if Itachi didn't point to the "real" Itachi after being stabbed. I'd actually say Itachi would have more chances of winning because his genjutsu is hard to detect. Gaara hasn't shown ability to get out of genjutsu, has he? At least on Itachi's level anyway, so based on that, it could be assumed Gaara could fall to genjutsu. Plus, Itachi's handseal speed would make it hard for Gaara to counter, and Itachi can come up with many ways to get Gaara offguard like he did with Kakashi.
The moment Itachi decides to use Tsukiyomi this is over.
Actually going by what ppl say about the speed of Itachi, even if Gaara would have automatic defense - it wouldn't make a difference.Originally Posted by Rikudou King
I like what you wrote M3J and Shaunlim about the speed of Itachi - I did not want to argue with that <> but I always considered the speed of Itachi somewhat like Sasuke's <obvious, rather xd> and the only KILLER <in respect to Bee > speed which I always praised Itachi for was making handseals which nobody - even Sharingan users - cannot see. IF they cannot, nobody with normal eyes can <too obvious> Thats why I remember in a thread Raikage vs Itachi that I clearly saw Itachi's speed being inferior to Raikage in general <of course xP>, but I saw the feat of making uber fast hand seals a REAL challenge <like: Raikage attacks Itachi, hits this Itachi and it appears its exploding bunshin, lol - nice way to harm the guy xd>
Before the anime version I had mixed feelings about it <I even remember stating it in one of those 'fights' in Naruto section with Gaara> BUT after seeing it in anime I'm in favor of Amaterasu: it was literally "shooting", not forming the already existing flames <because when they were shown like that, there was clear animation of that - in here it was clearly shooting mode> Unless anime guys made a mistake, after that I thought 'what the hell' and assumed that Kishi gave another boost to Gaara's sand because now almost anybody seems capable of stopping/evading Amaterasu from high tier shinobis, lol xD <and we know that Gaara's development in power was always: bigger techniques and faster sand, lol >Originally Posted by Delbi
Thats not fair of a comparison. Anybody before was a genin and was literally weak <there are those 'genius' out there who don't get inside this bag but still.. the kid is the kid> I don't think 'genin' Jiraiya would do much more against genin Naruto..........Originally Posted by MONKEYS
Even with Shukaku still in him I don't see him pulling sth like Bee did. Why this is even mentioned WHEN BEe himself stated that only by taming a bijuu a jinchuuriki can have sth like that <I mean: we now know that control/taming may be different than friendship with a bijuu <lol>, but Gaara's nowhere near as perfect jinchuuriki as Bee> It shouldn't be even a debate xdOriginally Posted by MONKEYS
Actually Gaara doesn't have some powerful moves in a way like Onoki has: I shoot, you're dead. All of his attacks are mainly by overwhelming his opponent or using sand as 'squeezing' thingy - its not like Itachi's Yata Mirror will be used to deflect such direct attacks.Originally Posted by MONKEYS
Originally Posted by DelbiWhat are you saying - Itachi is NOT a master of genjutsu, he is freakin' "GOD of genjutsu" in NarutoverseOriginally Posted by Shaunlim
You know - now that you mentioned that: I would really love Gaara to use that new technique in his newest fight. Till I read your statment I considered this technique as reckoning type only and didn't even think apllying this to battle. Imagine Gaara blocking attacks of the kages just because he has on the ground put everywhere his sensor sand technique and knows where his opponent appear <or sth like that >Originally Posted by Deepak5191
Not to mention other posts here I'm still sad that Kishi didn't at least once put Gaara in a position to fight someone who doesn't use taijutsu or ninjutsu based attacks - I would freakin' love to see how Gaara deals with genjutsu <I mean: in db3 it states its 3 and it was during he had SHukaku to begin with, lol> in the manga pages. Would be cool if one of the kages has some genjutsu prowess <even a little one, but still - one genjutsu would be enough to make some more or less idea about Gaara and genjutsu>Originally Posted by M3J
btw. db3 states 3 and I always considered this that way: Gaara knows what genjutsu is and how to counter it, thats ALL When Bee shown bijuu taming stuff and deflecting a genjutsu because of that I also assumed that he had also 3 in genjutsu department because he was a jinchuuriki to begin with. ehh : (
The moment Itachi decides to use his finger <lol > this is over xPOriginally Posted by xXan
I mean: now that I think about it - the fight goes on, fighters are going with all-too-mighty techniques combos and whatnot, and at the end Gaara's bleeding from the mouth and saying 'what the shit?' <yes, like with DeiDei-chan because Gaara usually doesn't say such stuff > and than genjutsu breaks and we see body of Gaara with decapitated head and Itachi standing besides the body and saying famous line: "the moment you look into my eyes <whatever, may be this finger tech > it was all over for you" <3 <total mind**ck >
I don't know if the finger genjutsu would be enough. Gara has a pasive sand armour around his entire body and when he will get hit(by Itachi with a weapon or fist or whatever) he could snap out of it or something. Anywhay the normal genjutsu can be argued and i realy don't whant to put Gaara that down:P So i go with MS genjutsu FTW and its a sure thing and its not something that makes Gaara look that bad
@xXan - I don't know about this : / I mean, its because we don't know about Gaara & genjutsu thingy <the hell, we don't know anything besides some 'shitty' statistics from db> that Itachi can do whatever he wants with him in my eyes <or Itachi's eyes for the matter > About this:
In all of the instances Gaara had this he was pressured by the opponents attacks and probably then he was putting sand armor on him <going by what Kankurou said and how much chakra it takes and that Gaara was in a bad defence position against Lee> If Gaara would be in genjutsu he wouldn't know that he is pressured and so I don't think he would have his sand armor on.Quote:
@juUnior...I think that Amaterasu that you saw being shot in the anime was actually Sasuke manipulating the flames and then calling it Enton...so the flames once they are out can be shot in a sense...but in the end they can appear anywhere, and I stand by the phrase that it forms, as well...
And with that said, Gaara can possibly counter Susanoo, by trying to restrain it or trying to sink it w/e...he will outlive Amaterasu as well, because he has the sand armor on him, and if he takes the jutsu, then he just has to shed the armor and remake it...but Tsukiyomi or any other form a genjutsu can trap him and that's not just an opening for Itachi, but also a finishing move, most probably...
As far as Taijutsu goes or weapon jutsu, I think the weapon jutsu can be overcome, and so is the taijutsu...Itachi's speed does not equal power to harm Gaara
But that speed will enable him to execute jutsu in fast succession, and kinda disable Gaara
Actually, Gaara sould be immune to genjutsu thanks to his third eye, and since knowleadge of the sharingan is widely spread, I'm pretty sure Gaara would do it immediatly.
However, he doesn't have a counter for the Sword of Totsuka, which is the sole reason he looses this fight.