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1. A well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena
1. The circulating life energy that in Chinese philosophy is thought to be inherent in all things
1. An extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic
Hopefully by creating this thread when people post things that make sense people vote it up, or be able to quote what they agree with. And the rest of the time, at least people have a place to post and discuss it. ~ Peace.
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Well First... I think we should start with what The Breaker actually tells us. So I'm going to collect some images and post them. The best way to support a theory is to cite material evidence to support it. ~ Be Back Here Later (Need A. A free image host and B. Better crop some images.)
Last edited by Otters11; June 28, 2011 at 11:25 PM.
would deviant work?
You can use hosting services like Imageshack or tinypic (to name a couple) to host your images.
You don't need to register for them, the have a free upload service.
For cropping, I suggest paint.net - its a free paint / editing program.
If you use a windows pc, you can even crop in the windows live photo gallery.
In regards to image hosting, I would just like to add imgur.com. It is gaining a lot of popularity, for how easy it is to use, no file size restrictions, no need for an account, and small urls.
I will not be focusing exclusively on ki in this post and I apologize for that, but I will be looking at some terms used in The Breaker and the martial arts of the Murim within The Breaker and will be comparing them to similar terms that I am familiar with from traditional Chinese Kung Fu. Ki will be one of those terms, but I will also be looking at others, and in any case this is simply the best thread I could find for this post.
I am using Chinese terms because I don't know a lot about traditional Korean martial arts and medicine, but I do know a couple things about the Chinese equivalents so I would like to offer my perspective on some of the things in The Breaker's view of Ki as a contribution to this thread. It is interesting how the authors may have used some inspiration from traditional sources.
In The Breaker (first part), Chapter 26, Page 6, Chun-woo explains the process of training in martial arts that use inner power or ki.
The three steps are listed as “Air Herding,” “Power Distribution,” and “Bloom Through.” Personally, I believe these translations are probably not entirely correct, but this process is exactly the same as that of internal Chinese martial arts.
“Air Herding” is essentially Qi Gong, or “Energy Skill.” It is the practice of training the energy body to be stronger, cultivating and storing Ki in the ki center, and generally doing basic energy training.
“Power Distribution” is essentially Nei Gong, or “Internal Skill.” It is the practice of circulating the energy cultivated in the ki center. In this way, ki is distributed throughout the body, and the body becomes reinforced with that vital energy. In The Breaker, the Black Heaven & Earth Technique is a technique of this type, since it is a circulation or distribution technique. In traditional Chinese arts, the Microcosmic Orbit and the Macrocosmic Orbit are also well known circulation techniques.
“Bloom Through” is essentially Wai Gong, or “External Skill.” These are techniques that use the energy accumulated in the ki center through the first step in order to perform external feats of skill and strength. Virtually every strike or technique that uses ki in The Breaker is a technique of this type. In real martial arts, it is the physical skills of the body such as balance, strength, and proficiency in basic skills like punching and kicking form, but there are also legendary techniques like Fa Jing (a punch where chi is released explosively at the end of a punch, much like the strike Shioon uses) and Qing Gong (Lightness Skill, the name of the technique used to jump high and over long distances in Kung Fu movies like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon).
In The Breaker (first part), chapter 27, Page 15, Chun-woo explains SimGiCheHon, the basic components of human existence.
First, the definitions from Chun-woo:
Sim is the power to think.
Gi (another spelling of Ki) is the life force in all creation.
Che is the basic building material that makes up the physical body.
Hon is the determination to succeed in something (will power, you might say).
These are very basic definitions, but I am not familiar enough with Korean martial arts to elaborate on the Korean view points of these terms. Instead, I can offer another comparison to traditional Kung Fu in China based on terms that seem similar and I am familiar with.
Sim seems to be the same as Shen, Gi is the same as Chi (it is well known that Chi and Ki/Gi are different words for the same thing), Che seems to be the same as Jing, and Hon seems to be the same as Yi.
Now, to explain my understanding of the Chinese terms, to perhaps better understand the Korean terms that are used in The Breaker (and perhaps other Manhwa).
Shen is the consciousness, or the “mind and spirit” of a person, but not their personality or character or their mind-energy specifically. Rather, one moderately over-simplified way to explain it is to say that Shen is the substance that “consciousness” is made of. Since whether or not one is conscious and how much so determines a persons power to think and mentally function, it seems reasonable to say that Shen and Sim can be called Consciousness.
Chi—to define chi is something that experts have spent thousands of years, and even just in recent years hundreds of studies, research papers, and books trying to achieve. Suffice to say, for the purpose of this post, Chun-woo's basic explanation is good enough: Chi/Ki is the life force energy that exists in all of creation.
Jing, like Chi, is a highly debated subject. As such, I won't too strictly define it, but will simply say that it is the binding force that holds the physical body together, and is the source of vitality. That may sound similar to Chi, but they are different because they serve different purposes within the body.
Before continuing, I would like to also point out that Shen, Chi, and Jing are famously called the Three Treasures in China, both in Traditional Chinese Medicine and Kung Fu. In TCM especially, they are considered the three fundamental building blocks of the human existence. In a strong and healthy body, the three treasures are strong, healthy, and in balance; in a weak and unhealthy body, the three treasures are weak, unhealthy, and out of balance.
Lastly is Yi. Yi translates to mental “Intent” or “Will.” It is used even in the name of several Chinese martial arts, such as Yi Quan (Intent Fist/Boxing) and Xing-Yi Quan (Form-Intent Fist/Boxing). It is, as Hon was described, “the determination to do something” or, you might say, “the intention to do something.” As an example, when Shioon first battled So-Chun Hyuk, no matter how badly he was hurt he continued to stand again and again. Even when his body didn't want to move anymore, he still stood simply on will power. That is Hon, and that is why on the page where it is described by Chun-woo it is translated as “Soul.”
There is a lot more to all of it than this, but knowing this information has given a specific perspective to reading The Breaker and made the series very enjoyable for me. It is interesting to pay attention to and notice the similarities between some traditional arts and the exaggerated fiction of The Breaker.
Last edited by Ketsurou; July 05, 2013 at 04:02 PM.
I originally made this next post in the Chapter 122 discussion, but because of so many thanks, I have decided to include it here in this post so that the information is not buried along with the thread as we move along into new chapters. A lot can be found out about acupuncture with some basic research online and off, but I hope the following will help my fellow Breaker fans understand how the acupoint techniques that Smiling Blade, Shik, and others have been using work and allow you to have a slightly better understanding of just how deep this series really is.