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Superb! I liked every part of the tournament. It was flawless.
Good. I liked almost every part of the tournament.
Above average. There were more positives than negatives.
Below average. There were many bad moments although some good.
Bad. The tournament sucked on every level, not much was good about it.
Other (post reason)
Originally Posted by Shaunlim
Sasuke had no MS active in the first instance. Stop lying. As for "knowing something bad is coming", it doesn't matter if that something bad is too fast for you to react to, which it wasn't too fast for Sasuke, thanks to his Sharingan. And Minato's reaction time isn't the same as being able to predict someone's movements. Prediction is knowing before hand what someone's going to do. Reaction time is how fast you can react to said stimuli. Don't try to make his reaction time comperable to usage of the Sharingan.
Proof Sasuke's MS wasn't active when he first used Susanoo
If I wanted I could've even mentioned how quickly Sasuke blocked Danzou's punch without his MS being active to begin with, as it's yet another instance he snuck an instantaneous Susanoo out there without his MS being active first.
Originally Posted by Shaunlim
The point I'm making is some of you are pretending that it's just an excuse for those of us that are pissed that our favorite characters didn't win, when characters no one even cared about were screwed over just as hard as Sasuke (Bee, Orochimaru). You try to say that no one complained about those because they're not whiners, but no one complained because no one cared. Huge difference. I even stated twice before that the tournament would just end up being a popularity contest, so that's also wrong to say no one complained about the tournament makeup to begin with. I even brought to attention that everyone already experienced one tournament on this forum already (Bleach tournament) and they still chose not to take the necessary precautions. They knew this would happen and did nothing.
Come to think of it, why has no tournament mod addressed this? Why did you allow the tournament to go down like this after what was happening in the Bleach tournament? None of this is new, you weren't surprised.
Last edited by ninjabot; August 06, 2011 at 08:14 AM.
I'm pretty sure Orochimaru had his share of fans as well as Bee. As a matter of fact, I like Bee myself. Point is most people don't complain just because the character that they supported lost because this is just a competition which doesn't affect the manga in any way nor does it grant the side of the winner wins something. It's just something done for the fun of it. I'm didn't say that no one complained about the tournament makeup but most of them seemed fine with everything until their character lost. As a matter of fact, if their character won, they wouldn't have complained even if it is a flawed victory.
You use a lot of allusions that would make sense on their own if you wouldn't warp their logic to suit your own needs. You contradict yourself so many times that I won't even bother to take stabs at your faulty logic. I'll just attribute it to the probability that you just didn't get anything I said. You're a smart person, so I'll be nice and just give you the benefit of the doubt.
Being a fan doesn't mean defending a character to the point of being flamed or possibly banned, because no one here can control you or make you do whatever you want. That's a responsibility left to yourself. Therefor, if you act the way you do it's lack of self-control against comments that piss you off or annoy you. Therefor, once again, it's your own fault for getting upset. Granted, one can't control one's own emotions, but they can sure as hell control their actions. If you feel you're being trolled, or flamebaited, or instigated altogether, why give said baiter the satisfaction of falling for it. 'Cause in the end, they win 'cause their point is just to piss people off.
As to me not being a fan of none of those characters thus me not whining about it: like I said, if any of them lost to anyone I can't admit I wouldn't say anything about it or whine about it, but it'd be to a certain degree. Not have 30% of my posts be incessant whining about it or attacks to certain people. You admitting to not caring about the outcomes to certain matches is an open acceptance that even you found the tournament to be a popularity contest. Should you have actually felt contrary to that - which is in essence what you wanted this to be, then you should've complained about those outcomes just as tenaciously as Sasuke's one. Hmm, please forgive me then, 'cause I said earlier that I wouldn't take stabs at your contradictions and faulty logic .
From the beginning I knew this was gonna end up being a popularity contest, which is why I said I knew the outcome of 90% of the matches, which is why I didn't get upset about anything. I keep calling it all inevitable. If you can't stand that some characters are more popular than Sasuke well... tough cookies. Which is why it's not about me being a fan of jdw instead of the manga characters - it's like I said: comments some people make me laugh, which is why I thank them. jdw's comments made me laugh and some of them I actually agree with. So what? It doesn't mean we're all ganging up on anyone. You agree with a lot of people just as a lot of people agree with you. You not getting what I said doesn't mean I'm backpaddling or whatever. You just didn't get it. You not getting something doesn't make it a lie. So, once again, I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
Though I admit, had Itachi lost against Madara I would've been extremely pissed. I can guarantee you, even with seeing how much of a pitbull - nay, a great white shark - you've been for Sasuke against Jiraiya, I would've been like that a hundredfold. That's how wtf I would've been had Itachi lost to Madara. However, I could've taken on the conversation for awhile, but not as eternally as people here for Sasuke. That doesn't mean I'm not such a big Itachi fan as I claim to be. That doesn't mean I'm not an Itachi fan or that I don't hold the manga in such a high esteem as I do. It just means that I'm aware enough to know that this tournament is not a valid representation of any of the characters of the manga. It was done with hard work by the mods to spawn fun in the forum. Period. Once again, if you knew this from the start and have gotten to the point of bathmouthing the tournament altogether, why stay in your current state? Just get up and leave - something you yourself recommended me on doing. Only I'm not the one complaining about the tournament. So why should I leave? Amazing logic. It's supposed be like the proverbial "if you don't like what's on then change the channel." Oops! Once again, I attacked your logic. Once again, apologies .
I might be an asshole, but it's because I find enjoyment in people getting annoyed for no apparent reason, 'cause those people in my opinion <<comment ommitted>>. I'm not the asshole that caused said annoyance, but to me, people who allow themselves to get annoyed and manipulated by others is their own fault. Once again, my own opinion. Something I'm allowed to have just as you your own. And I think we both agree that if you have your right to complain to such a degree I have a right to laugh at people mocking said complaints. Why should your reactions be better or etiquettely superior to mine?
If you know people are doing it to piss you off, why give them the satisfaction of showing them said ire? I'm practically telling you to give it a break not to keep pissing you off, but so that you don't give those other people reasons to keep goading you on. If anything, I'm actually giving you friendly advice. Which is why I'll repeat what I said at the beginning: I'll just attribute it to the probability that you just didn't get anything I said. So I'll be nice and just give you the benefit of the doubt. You can believe whatever you want about me 'cause I'm someone who doesn't really care at all what people say to me or about me - I'm above all that. You can even take everything I just said as complete bullshit. It's up to you; that's fine. But being as you directed yourself at me with such a lengthy, well-thought-out, and critical testament, the least I could've done was reply with one of my own, for all of the time you spent towards myself. I would've enjoyed your rebuttal had you hadn't misinterpreted some of the things I said, or took my comments so seriously, or even actually properly dismantled them but meh. I hope you let some steam out at least .
I like being challenged and finding people who take apart my arguments. A lot of the times here I thank people who actually prove me wrong. With solid evidence. I get surprised to know that I was actually wrong and saw things in an erroneous light. It helps me to not be an ignorant and mediocre person. Most of the time when I don't respond to someone who responds to me it's cause I accept defeat or I simply don't know who to fight back. That's the most I can do to give 'em props and/or kudos. I'm not someone who fights for the sake of it. But I'll be damned if I'm not gonna laugh at something that I find funny. If it's at your expense or any other person who I think is whining well, whatever man. To each our own.
Last edited by DementedKirby; August 06, 2011 at 11:15 AM.
Can we tone down the intensity a little? None of us need to get banned over something so trivial.
Also, one of the reasons why I voted for the characters taht I did was for the tournament. I wasn't so upset about ITachi winning (though I didn't vote at all) because it'd have been more interesting semifinals. Since Tobi fought Minato and lost via retreat, people would just mostly vote for Minato whereas Itachi had a chance and the debate would have been more fun.
Some people even changed my mind with their arguments. Kudos to them. As for my favorite match (Itachi vs. Minato), that was so difficult that I actually and authentically flipped a coin for it. Thanks to the latest chapters I was glad I chose Itachi. He. Is. LEGEN. DARY. Also, those that doubted Nagato's abilities without the paths... damn! There should be little doubt now about his skills!
The only thing that I would've changed was the bracket system. That made the outcomes too obvious. Every round should've been randomly generated with the winners of the previous round. Other than that, good job! It wasn't such a popularity contest as it could've been. Maybe a new tournament can be created in a couple of months after more characters get to shine. Maybe then some tweaks and whatever could be made to the system. I don't know. It's just that the tournament was pretty fun .
On the whole, I was pretty disappointed with how this tournament turned out. I felt like the mods in charge of the Bleach tournament did a much better job, which is sad because the Narutoverse has such high potential for a tournament. I liked that while the Bleach tournament was going on, there were links to the active fights in the announcements, but in this tournament there was announcement that the quarterfinals had begun, even after the tournament had finished. Is it that hard to change the announcements? Its little things like that that made this tournament feel subpar. I also would have liked to see a loser bracket for characters like Kisame who could have made it a lot further in the tournament if it wasn't for unfortunate match-ups.
I give this tournament 4/10 and hope that someone more dedicated is put in charge of the One Piece tournament.
If you had reread my first argument I am arguing because with Bee and Sasuke Itachi needs to do more things to get them into a genjutsu rather than look then Genjutsu them right at the bat... And Bee is more in control in the fight against Itachi when Itachi had said that don't look into my eyes because before that Itachi could Genjutsu'd him more often in the fight if he didn't said that and Bee will not know it...
Lowering your guard means you need to pressure them into a doing something so that you could prepare the best time you can use your technique to suceed Itachi did that to Bee and Sasuke... But I am saying Bee and Sasuke are different than Minato because Minato is faster and more intelligent than Bee and Sasuke so (It will be Harder to Itachi to Succeed! I am not saying there is 0% chance he will not succeed)... If Sasuke had trouble on keeping up with Raikage with his eyes so that is why he can't focus on him for a SGH why does Minato who had more faster(He is using Hirashin) is easier target for it /facepalm...
Let me ask you why bring it up if Raikage lvl 1 and Raikage lvl 2 are different... Minato dodge lvl 2 and Sasuke keep up with lvl 1 so why bring this up?? Because how can you compare lvl 1 to lvl 2 they are entirely different in level of speed...
You are now contradicting your post the first thing you said is Deidara waiting to be genjutsu'd know he is waiting for him to trap sasuke in his bomb.. What is it now? LOL! Don't want to bring this Deidara thing because Minato and Deidara fighting style are completely different and I example Bee and Sasuke because they are close on the level/style of Minato...
Well after I see the thread at the konohagukure arena about you still thinking about how epic Bee reacted to Hirashin.. I wouldn't further than this just goodluck proving that if Minato just go there ahead for the kill Bee could still epicly dodge it even if Minato could just had a Kunai on Bee's head...
The tentacle is still creeping around and if Bee is as epic as you think why does he just attack Minato with the tentacle rather than Raikage because for me this will be much much much better but he didn't could I say Bee is epic no because he didn't done that and that for me is the best thing Bee could do but still what he did is still great but not as epic as you think...
Here's a clip of Sasuke talking about Itachi using every Mangekyou technique against him. We see a panel of Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. These are insanely powerful jutsu. Tsukoyomi is therefor no pansy-ass genjutsu. You not only have to kill the person closest to you to awaken the Mangekyou, but you have to then learn how to use it once you awaken it. If normal Sharingan genjutsu were the same as Tsukoyomi, Kakashi wouldn't've gotten his ass handed to him by Itachi when he tells Kurenai and Asuma to not look into Itachi's eyes while he then does so. He clearly underestimated the Mangekyou. He probably learned first hand what being destroyed by Tsukoyomi felt like (reference). Oh, and even though Kakashi isn't an Uchiha, he wields Obito's Sharingan like a boss. He even awakened Obito's Mangekyou.
Also, apparently no one has control over a Sharingan as Itachi does. He programmed Sasuke's Sharingan to use his own (Itachi's) Amaterasu against Madara. He then programmed Shisui's Sharingan to activate a genjutsu against whoever wields his eyes. How badass is that?
That's the point. The Sharingan becomes Mangekyou only when casting one of its four abilities: either Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, Susano'o, and the unique ability. It doesn't stay in its Mangekyou stage when it's idle. If someone has awakened the Mangekyou, when not using one of the previously mentioned abilities, the Sharingan merely stays in the 3rd stage. So basically, the MS genjutsu is Tsukoyomi. Once again, the Sharingan turns into its Mangekyou shape only when casting one of its 4 jutsu. Then it reverts to its usual stage (3 tomoe). There is no Mangekyou stage standard genjutsu - at least in the way to which you're referring to.
Last edited by DementedKirby; August 06, 2011 at 10:00 PM.