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Thread: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread V.2

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jdw View Post

    Confirmed by no Susanoo here, and no Susanoo here, and no Susanoo or Amaterasu here. On this page, Susanoo has returned, but no Amaterasu. Finally, we are here (image below), and Sasuke has Amaterasu and Susanoo, but there is no indication that he lobbed a preexisting Amaterasu at Gaara.

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    In the raw scan, Sasuke states "炎遁" (Enton). That specifically refers to Sasuke's manipulation of existing Amaterasu flames so far, so until further development, it is an enton and not Amaterasu itself. Plus, there are flames on the battlefield for him to manipulate such as on the samurai armor, Ee cutoff arm, and on Gaara's sand when he blocked the first enton. He doesn't need to have it on Susanoo.
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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Hmm I don't really get the point of the debate, because it is pretty clear that Enton is manipulation of Amaterasu...Enton Kagu Tsuchi was a technique that used the flames from the Susanoo ribs...

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by benelori View Post
    Hmm I don't really get the point of the debate, because it is pretty clear that Enton is manipulation of Amaterasu...Enton Kagu Tsuchi was a technique that used the flames from the Susanoo ribs...
    Well, people insist on calling the Enton jutsu Sasuke used on Gaara Amaterasu, which isn't the case. I'm just trying to clarify the confusion as the techniques are vastly different in its speed and execution.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Another thing to point out:

    The strategy that Jiraiya is using to anticipate Amaterasu involves him looking into Itachi's eyes, which leads him wide open for Tsukuyomi.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas.Sama View Post
    Another thing to point out:

    The strategy that Jiraiya is using to anticipate Amaterasu involves him looking into Itachi's eyes, which leads him wide open for Tsukuyomi.
    It's not necessary to look into his eyes. He could be looking at his cheeks for blood if he were to use a strategy to anticipate Amateratsu.

    Also, IIRC, Amateratsu have always been used and connected on a stationary target or at least one that isn't running around left and right. The only exception to this would be Sasuke who manage to avoid it long enough to use a kawamiri. So even if we were to really ignore all the possibilities of Jiraiya being capable of doing something, why must we assume that Jiraiya needs to stand still to get Amateratsu-ed?

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas.Sama View Post
    Another thing to point out:

    The strategy that Jiraiya is using to anticipate Amaterasu involves him looking into Itachi's eyes, which leads him wide open for Tsukuyomi.
    Aburame tinted stunna' shades bro. J-man put on a pair of those bad boys and Tsukuyomi get reflected back!

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Jiraiya has no prior knowledge to Amaterasu, so you can't assume anything.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Jiraiya has no prior knowledge to Amaterasu, so you can't assume anything.
    He has seen it before, when Naruto and Kisame first met Naruto, Itachi used Amaterasu to escape and Jiraiya sealed it.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    In the tournament, jiraiya has no knowledge so it dosen't matter.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas.Sama View Post
    Another thing to point out:

    The strategy that Jiraiya is using to anticipate Amaterasu involves him looking into Itachi's eyes, which leads him wide open for Tsukuyomi.
    Not necessarily: the strategy involves seeing the eye blinking, at which point Jiraya would do something to prepare himself for an attack.
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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    Not necessarily: the strategy involves seeing the eye blinking, at which point Jiraya would do something to prepare himself for an attack.
    Oh so every time Itachi blinks Jiraiya is going to prepare for Amaterasu? Hmm i wonder how many times in a single minute he is going to prepare for Amaterasu. lolz

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenheadedmirror View Post
    Bleeding eye is a sign of amaterasu.
    When Itachi first used Amaterasu in part I, we didn't see any signs of blood, did we? But all the other times we did see either Uchiha use Mangekyo, we saw them immediately whereas we saw Itachi minutes later.

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    ... OK we have analysed that J-man has the possibility to save himself against Amaterasu... how can Itachi save himself from the swamp jutsu?. Itachi is fast in his pace of doing attacks and reaction time but he sucks in terms of speed but for dashing... and the swamp's range is above any dash capability. So Jiraya survives... now how does Itachi?
    Kage bunshin jumps up and Itachi uses the kage bunshin to help him jump higher, even towards a tree. If he reads Jiraiya's handseals, he could predict what Jiraiya will do, especially if JIraiya touches the ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas.Sama View Post
    that's why they are called scenarios....and you completely missed my point.
    I don't think he can. However, if he were to block it, what would happen next?

    I'm sorry, did you just say that Itachi's speed sucks?

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    And I have a serious question about the swamps usefullness against a single opponent. (I'm actually being serious.) What would stop Itachi from standing on it like water?
    I don't think he can stand on it like water since the swamp would be full of chakra. Itachi would probably need more chakra to do that, if he could. Water (as far as we know) isn't filled with chakra like Kisame's water gun no jutsu and Swamp of the Underground are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunlim View Post
    It's not necessary to look into his eyes. He could be looking at his cheeks for blood if he were to use a strategy to anticipate Amateratsu.

    Also, IIRC, Amateratsu have always been used and connected on a stationary target or at least one that isn't running around left and right. The only exception to this would be Sasuke who manage to avoid it long enough to use a kawamiri. So even if we were to really ignore all the possibilities of Jiraiya being capable of doing something, why must we assume that Jiraiya needs to stand still to get Amateratsu-ed?
    The eyes would still be in Jiraiya's view, even if not direct, he could still be hit with genjutsu. Even if not, Itachi can still use his finger under pretense of wiping blood away to put Jiraiya in genjutsu.

    Sasuke knew Amaterasu was coming, though. Plus, he let himself be caught on purpose. Jiraiya wouldn't have the speed that Raikage and Sasuke did to avoid it, not in base mode anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruffy View Post
    He has seen it before, when Naruto and Kisame first met Naruto, Itachi used Amaterasu to escape and Jiraiya sealed it.
    Jiraiya wouldn't know anything until he saw the flames, though. He'd wonder about Itachi's eyes looking different since he knew nothing about Amaterasu or even possibly about Mangekyo. Not that it matters for this tournament anyway, since it's proven he had no knowledge of Amaterasu and it's assumed he knows nothing about Mangekyo either.


    I wonder though, why is saying Itachi was telling the truth about losing to JIraiya allowed, but not saying Itachi is better than Jiraiya due to A >B, B>C, thus A>C? Both are illogical from what we know and have seen, and based on the circumstances.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Oh so every time Itachi blinks Jiraiya is going to prepare for Amaterasu? Hmm i wonder how many times in a single minute he is going to prepare for Amaterasu. lolz
    The advantage of his hair is that he can use it to attack Sasuke/Itachi while blocking their sight.
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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    Moving the hair to block his sight would be pretty hard, since Itachi's prediction ability would make such an attempt know and thus Itachi could act before his sight was actually block. Not to mention blocking Itachi's sight also means that Jiraiya would likely be blocking his own view of Itachi, which would be much more dangerous to do.

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    Re: Naruto Tournament Discussion Thread 2

    It's unlikely Jiraiya would even use the hair defense jutsu, to avoid Itachi's jutsu.

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